Domme help + furry voyeurs?

Hi everyone,

Just to jump straight into it, I really want to crop/whip/paddle my husband deep into the mattress (with love and enthusiastic consent) but every time we get even the smallest swipe, our dog decides to throw an utter fit and it completely kills the buzz.

He has a lot of anxiety issues so we can’t really close him out of the room with a toy or anything, he just won’t have it and it’s a weird thing to explain to a trainer (although I’m sure it’s probably not the strangest thing a dog trainer has heard). It’s got to the point that we haven’t had a successful play of that ilk since before we got him (he’s 4 yrs old), and the last time we even had standard missionary, he decided that morning walk that everything made him angry to the point of snapping at other dogs in the park and sitting close to me/away from my husband (I guess because he ‘smelled’ of me, even post shower…?)

If its ‘standard’ sex or masturbation, he watches for a bit and then eventually settles down when he realises he’s not invited to the party - I suppose we care slightly less when he’s watching if we know he will eventually stop :sweat_smile: But the domme/sub stuff he simply will not abide, even a small spank with a palm drives him nuts and he barks the roof off and for some time later he howls if we even have a quick hug in the kitchen etc. My husband is now at the point of not wanting to engage in it at all so as not to disturb the neighbours which has left me a bit dismayed as its something I enjoy quite a bit more than ‘standard’ sex…

Suppose my question is, has anyone ever had a furry voyeur issue (and I don’t mean your partner or otherwise consented hairy onlooker!) and if you solved it, what did you do? Please help :grimacing:

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Dogs can be very protective towards their owners, so spanking your partner is going to trigger your dog.

My wife had a knee operation 10 years ago and was on crutches for about 6 weeks. Our friends came to see her, and when they were leaving she went to get up to see them to the door. I told her to stay sat in her chair and jokingly told her to do as she was told. I mimed giving her a tap on the head and our dog at the time went for me. He did nothing wrong, he was just being protective and he was that small he couldn’t have hurt me anyway.

The only thing I can suggest is putting your dog in another room with a treat and the radio on for company and ignore any barking, until they get used to an hour or so away from you. Hope this helps, as you don’t really want canine company when you’re getting intimate!

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Have you had anyone look after him before, like if you go on holiday? Maybe someone who would look after him for a few hours or is he always with you?

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We have to put our dog away when we spank each other as she barks constantly

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He is generally always with us but is used to several hours alone in the day when we’re working etc, he’s also the only dog so there’s never been any competition. We don’t get intimate very often (I’m Ace, my libido is pretty low but when I’m ready for something, I’m raring to go and tend to lean towards alternative methods of arousal to sex) so I assume he sees the actions of sex or domination as a threat to either of us and gets confused and upset. I’m the feeder and his ‘daddy’ is like his playmate, so his affection for each of us is slightly different in the way we fulfil his needs.

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Do you crate her or is she free roaming in another room? We’re in a flat so the walls are already thin enough that my husband gets uncomfortable if things get so loud it might disturb the neighbours.

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We put her in the kitchen where she can chill while we play

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Well this is not the “furry” I had in mind upon reading the title, but perhaps I can be of more assistance with this one than what I would be with the other anyway :joy:

Hello hi, Mum (captive?) of an anxious 10-year-old Jack Russell here, who holds a pint-sized protest anytime he gets kicked out of the bedroom!

Huxley has always been an anxious dog, expecially after lockdown - he got used to my husband shutting himself away in the bedroom (hubby worked from there) and having me around. Anytime hubby and I tried to spend some time together it would be World War Three: Huxley would turn into this growling, snarling, toe-terrorising beast that had to be forcibly removed and relocated, often with holes left in our socks. It got so bad, we sometimes had to muzzle him for our own safety, then deal with the guilt of the sad puppy dog eyes.

We also live in a flat with thin walls, so our experience might be particularly useful to you.

First of all, the bedroom needs to be a dog-free zone. I know they’re cute and you’re so, so cruel for taking their favourite space away from them, but, well, it’s not theirs; it’s yours. No more bedroom visits or stays, he need a crate bed in another room from now on. He’ll be fine, or he’ll learn he is. Before too long, his crate will become his favourite place to be!

So onto that, and let’s be clear about something: properly-sized dog crates are not cruel. Dogs - like wolves - like dens, and if you put a cover on it, a crate becomes den-like and cosy. Add a cosy bed and perhaps an old t-shirt that smells like you (or your husband) and a stuffed Kong too. We stuff Huxley’s with no-salt peanut butter, natural yogurt, diced raw carrot and these tiny dog treats then freeze them - and he loves them! Work up crate times, first maybe just five or ten minutes, then an hour, two, and so on. You’ll be onto nights before you know it :wink: Train “place” or “spot” as well, to get him to go to his crate.

Second, put a safety gate on your bedroom door. I know they’re the most unsexy thing in the world, but it creates space. Have your dog on the non-bedroom side and encourage calm, use a clicker and praise calm. Click, praise, treat. You know this stuff, the idea is to make calm behaviour rewarding. Work up sessions, close the door briefly, then for a minute. After each calm session, appear, click, praise, treat. Build up tolerances so that calm behaviour makes good things happen. Add noises. No reaction to you spanking a paddle against your hand behind the closed door? Click, praise, treat.

Third, exercise your dog thoroughly before play. I compared Huxley to a tactical nuke the other day - small dog, big energy. Even small dogs need lots of playtime, and the more tired he is, the more likely he’ll be to settle. We sit on opposite sides of the flat (I’m not sure what your layout is, but the wider the distance, the better) and toss a favourite toy back and forth - “Puppy in the middle” as we call it. You want tired? That’s how you get tired - dog-tired :wink:

Fourth, create a routine. Dogs love routines, and by giving your dog a bedtime, you can reclaim your evenings (and your bedroom!). Maybe your evening could go something like Huxley’s does: evening feed (6pm), playtime (7pm), downtime, bed (8pm). With consistency, he will learn the routine.

Fifth, create a playlist for your playtimes. Different people like different music, find what works for you. It will drown out the huffs and puffs and protests coming from the other side of the door.

Finally, and this is the important part, do not give in to temper tantrums and howling. I know he’s probably disturbing your neighbours, and you console him so he’s learned that it works - any reaction is a good reaction to him because he still gets what he wants (you/your husband). Ignore it, build positive relationships with your neighbours (chocolates, earplugs and a short apology note work wonders) and explain to the dog warden if they are the grochety sort that will report you anyway. Despite what your dog may say, you’re retraining him, you’re not abusing him.

One more thing: if he gets nippy/territorial, keep a blanket/towel on standby. Cover him and quickly pop him over the (closed) gate, then step back and close the door. This is all about asserting boundaries, he has to learn that bearing his teeth at you doesn’t mean he’ll get you to back down from him.

Good luck, and I hope this helps :slight_smile:

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So I have hairless cats because of allergies (I guess not furry voyeurs, ha ha)

we have treat trained them to leave the room and they get a treat my wife and I have sex.

……except the creepy part is a minute or two after we orgasm often times our cats meow asking for a treat.

THEY KNOW :open_mouth:

As for your dog you might have to get help from animal behaviorists or find some videos online. I know that a lot of dogs have abandonment issues…….or really a thing for cats except when you don’t feed them or are late to feed them, then they will make sure you don’t forget next time (mine meows at me and digs her claws into my leg when she sits on my lap if its getting close to meal time)

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Would you say he’s more protective/possessive over you than your husband? As kinda sounds like you dog sees you as his and given they are ultimately pack animals with a hierarchy, it might help to understand where he sees you all at in that structure…

I’d defo consider some behavioural training lessons and maybe even the vets if he’s showing signs of anxiety as they can prescribe meds to help with that as my dog is on some…

Also has your dog been neutered?

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Sounds like you need a dog trainer! You can’t give in to it basically. Start softly and gently, like leave the room for a few seconds and then add more time type thing. You need to get the dog to be OK out of the room.

Good luck and happy spanking!

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You’ve returned to rescue me from my personal crises once more! :two_hearts: Now I’d like to know what you thought the title meant :sweat_smile:

We were lazy with crating from the start - Roscoe is a corgi collie cross, a working dog with long tail and short legs, bless him he has no idea he’s got all of his dad’s crappy genes - everything annoying about the corgi breed, he has it down. We had a large crate with bedding and all his smells when he was a tiny tot, he’d sleep in it but corgi squeal if we ever were to dare close it. He now sleeps in a fluffed bed basket next to my side of the bed…

The routine currently goes: 8am walk, 9am breakfast, midday indoor play and poop break, 5-6pm walk, 6-7pm dinner, 10pm final poop opportunity and bed.

He’s more of a whinge than aggressive (to people at least, he’s less patient with other dogs) but we’ve recently pacified him with the negative reinforcement of shutting him out of the room when he growls and barks at dogs or cats on the TV and only letting him back in the room with us when he’s chill. He has so much herding energy I don’t thin any amount of activity would be enough for him!

Thank you so much for the advice (again!), now the battle is convincing my husband to try again :wink:

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Haha thank you, he’s such a clingy boy and hates being left out (the dog, not the husband :winking_face_with_tongue:)

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Definitely has more possessive tendencies over me than the husband, he’d sooner tantrum with him than me, even though husband technically disciplines him more often than me. I’m the provider, and dad is the playmate, he knows my routine and leaves me alone when I’m working from home but as soon as dad comes home, dog is buzzing and ready to walk, run and play so the dynamic switches quickly with a new presence in the room and Alpha is a different person in every situation for him I think.

He was neutered at 1yr old if I recall, I definitely think he might have some anxiety issues. We’ve worked on separation anxiety and he seems fine alone (we have cameras to check in on him when he’s left alone) but if a new person comes into the house (like my mother or sister) and then we all leave, he will corgi-scream the house down for ages, to the point the neighbour living beneath us phones one of us saying ‘uuum your dog is crying really loud upstairs, is he ok??’ which is a bit embarrassing because he’s totally fine, just being a clingy butthole to get us to come back :sweat_smile:

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Haha that’s amazing! Mum and dad are happy so they get something nice as well :winking_face_with_tongue:

At least cats aren’t as heavy, my dog is about 22kg and if he jumps on the bed it clunks quite hard :grimacing:

My husband gets turned off extremely quickly when he thinks we might be causing disturbance, he has some hangups from a previous life he wouldn’t like to describe but between him and the dog, they’re both massive anxiety bunnies…

Sounds about right then, he clearly sees you as the female nurturing of the pack and depending if he thinks he ranks higher than your partner is where the issues may lay…

Some anxiety medication or training lessons could work a treat to help him chill a bit more

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Ours jumps off the bed if to energetic, sometimes she’s happy to stay on if we’re having a more sensual session.

But if she’s jumped off the bed, she’s usually back 2 to 3mns after we’re done…… :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Some animals are very protective of their original owners too.

I remember a lady I used to work with telling me in fits of giggles how her cat jumped on her new boyfriend’s back and lacerated it mid missionary….. :rofl::smiling_face_with_three_hearts::rofl:

I kept meaning to reply to you and having been pulled in six different directions lately, it’s something that’s been on my mind and for which I haven’t found the time. Well today, I’m finally making the time :winking_face_with_tongue:

Also my apologies I didn’t get back to you on the other thread. I was aware we were falling into the 1-to-1 conversation rule which would put us in breach of the forum rules. I thought it best since I had nothing new to really add to the conversation to acknowledge it and move on.

Now, let’s talk about these ankle-high anarchists of ours…

So you were soft on him! :joy: I wish I could say I haven’t done it; I used to sleep on the sofa in the same room as Huxley’s crate just to get him to shut up and sleep when he was a puppy. You need to build up the tolerances again, the gradual exposures, and this time don’t be soft on the tantrums. Pop some earbuds in and block it all out. He will learn eventually that once he’s in there, you’re not coming back and he is quite safe. Huxley sleeps the night through now, well, unless one of us rattles the kitchen bins or dares to step outside after his bedtime :grimacing:

So he has his routine, and it sounds like when you and your husband try to make time for sex it kind of upets his norm, like there’s a kind of “muuum!! this is my time!”? A funny thought, do you think he thinks your BDSM play is.. well, play, and if you’re playing, he wants in on it too? I really think crating him elsewhere and maintaining his schedule shouldn’t be too hard. With positive associations (treats, stuffed Kongs) he should adapt and even learn to settle quite quickly. Do you do any play on his walk, or indoor play before bed? I’m wondering if a last burn will help him settle.

Yes, the CRP (Crackerdog Relocation Protocol - not it’s official name, though it should be :wink: ) is usually a great way to restore calm and order in reactive dogs, and surprisingly effective on Huxley. He can go from tense, teeth baring, growling “I will kill all and any who get in my way” (usually because there’s a bird in the garden) to standing there, wide brown eyes, “y-you shut me out. What did you do that for?”. Never fails :joy:

How is he for tennis balls? If he has herding energy, something like a tennis ball or a lure toy should have him pooped out. We got the schitec tug toy from Amazon for our little hunter and it’s great for tug without the risk of a dislocated shoulder :joy:

Roscoe is not a bad dog, he’s an anxious dog and your husband needs to understand that. I have a similar problem with my husband; he’s concluded that Huxley hates him. Huxley greets him with kisses (and tries to nibble his ears off, but that’s always been Huxley’s thing for his Daddy :joy:) when he gets home from work. I don’t think that dog even knows what hate is :face_holding_back_tears:

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Ha, same here!

I don’t have much to add to the conversation - both our dogs have been well crate trained and are also trained extremely submissive so we’ve never had any issues with noise out of them regardless of our sexual activities. The elder of the two is rarely crated anymore and retreats to her bed when we’re getting busy. The other is still just a puppy and we crate her at bedtime and also if we’re getting busy in the day as we can’t keep an eye on her and don’t want to be interrupted by the kids if they need help with puppy. Have never really had any issues from either of them being noisy or disruptive while crated.

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