If weed was that safe surely the government would be allowing sales in shops anyway and taxing it to high heaven being the greedy people they are. They would have no reason not to.
They would have lots of reasons not to. Don't get me started..but really do you honestly think the government give a crap about our health? ha
To a point, of course they do. If we are incapable of working they don't get their taxes, if they don't get taxes they don't get their flashy cars, expensive holidays and second homes. Not that they actually care if we are unhealthy for any reason beyond that I wouldn't think.
I'll give you one example of why the government won't allow weed for non-health related reasons - it does have quite useful medicinal properties and AA provided quite succinct proof to the fact above.
Should weed be made legal you'll have an easy to produce, cheap source of pain relief for many ailments..examples such as arthritis, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, chemo induced nausea.
Now the pharmaceutical industry contributes something like £9bil to the UK economy per year..making weed legal sure would piss those guys off..
If weed was that safe surely the government would be allowing sales in shops anyway and taxing it to high heaven being the greedy people they are. They would have no reason not to.
They would have lots of reasons not to. Don't get me started..but really do you honestly think the government give a crap about our health? ha
To a point, of course they do. If we are incapable of working they don't get their taxes, if they don't get taxes they don't get their flashy cars, expensive holidays and second homes. Not that they actually care if we are unhealthy for any reason beyond that I wouldn't think.
I'll give you one example of why the government won't allow weed for non-health related reasons - it does have quite useful medicinal properties and AA provided quite succinct proof to the fact above.
Should weed be made legal you'll have an easy to produce, cheap source of pain relief for many ailments..examples such as arthritis, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, chemo induced nausea.
Now the pharmaceutical industry contributes something like £9bil to the UK economy per year..making weed legal sure would piss those guys off..
yerh but they'd have whole new markets in amphetamines, cocaine, ecstasy, opiates, benzos and barbituates
To a point, of course they do. If we are incapable of working they don't get their taxes, if they don't get taxes they don't get their flashy cars, expensive holidays and second homes. Not that they actually care if we are unhealthy for any reason beyond that I wouldn't think.
I'll give you one example of why the government won't allow weed for non-health related reasons - it does have quite useful medicinal properties and AA provided quite succinct proof to the fact above.
Should weed be made legal you'll have an easy to produce, cheap source of pain relief for many ailments..examples such as arthritis, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, chemo induced nausea.
Now the pharmaceutical industry contributes something like £9bil to the UK economy per year..making weed legal sure would piss those guys off..
Well yes you do have a point but between taxing the stuff and having a healthier population (more people working = more tax paid in and less benefits paid out) they will easily recoup that, if not make even more profit from it. People are suffering with many things, bringing one drug into the grand scheme of things will not cripple the medicine industry
If weed was that safe surely the government would be allowing sales in shops anyway and taxing it to high heaven being the greedy people they are. They would have no reason not to.
They would have lots of reasons not to. Don't get me started..but really do you honestly think the government give a crap about our health? ha
To a point, of course they do. If we are incapable of working they don't get their taxes, if they don't get taxes they don't get their flashy cars, expensive holidays and second homes. Not that they actually care if we are unhealthy for any reason beyond that I wouldn't think.
I'll give you one example of why the government won't allow weed for non-health related reasons - it does have quite useful medicinal properties and AA provided quite succinct proof to the fact above.
Should weed be made legal you'll have an easy to produce, cheap source of pain relief for many ailments..examples such as arthritis, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, chemo induced nausea.
Now the pharmaceutical industry contributes something like £9bil to the UK economy per year..making weed legal sure would piss those guys off..
Have to admit you make a good point, but considering how useful it can be, surely they'd be the ones who would push to make it legal, so that they can be the ones handle and manage it, and actually use it to turn a profit in the same way tobacco companies do?
But that was just one example of where the government will come under opposition. They will come under such intense pressure from so many places - anti drug campaigners, various industries (I mean hey..alcohol companies wouldn't like it much either..)
Nobody will care if it's so healthy for us will they? lol.
Fair enough though, I don't know your other reasons as to why you think they wouldn't do it so I can't say much more. I think we shall have to agree to disagree as I have to to run off to my job. :)
What makes me laugh quite a bit though and just highlights how retarded this countries laws are for example marijuana is illegal but I can walk into a shop 5 minutes down the road from me and buy a substitute that contains a synthetic THC derivative which is currently completely legal and beats the crap out of weed for potency...
I have more to say but I cba
there's legislation coming to stop legal highs - unfortunatley laws must be done carefully and take time to research and construct, whilst development of legal highs is seemingly quick
how are you meant to bring in a law to stop legal highs when new ones are made all the time? its the structure of the drug that gets made illegal, so you modify it slightly and ta daaaaaaa. this is the reason why the government said theyre revising drug laws, because they understand that they have failed majorly
actually there can be temporary class drug orders, which is the one that they used for mexxy (is this the one youre talking about? http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/mar/28/legal-high-drug-methoxetamine-banned
and they are using it. this is a way to control substances while research is done. all they need is for the drug to have the potential of misuse and harm. it's not out of govermnental control. new chemical balance - another temporary class drug order. 1/2 a day in parliament if that - no more problems for a year
this is the order for mexxy http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmgeneral/deleg1/120521/120521s01.htm
legislation may be able to keep up, but policing and the cps cant
*mxe
and that took how long for them to bring a temporary ban in? and how much research etc did they have to do in order to "temporary" ban it? and thats only one out of hundreds of research chemicals hahahaha. and theres a new ket derivative now - 2-me0-ketamine. so here we go again, trying for ages to ban it. theyre not gunna win ha ha. p.s look at the structures, theyre near enough the same hahaha
p.p.s you can buy illegal drugs online anywayssssss. theyve been fighting the drug war for too long, they need to give up muahahaha
A lot of interesting point's but in case no one was aware alcohol is not weed or some other drug it is alcohol.... so comparing the two as people have done for ages won't help. As for the drug war it's going to keep going!
You know those pricks killing us all off in Iraq etc? Oh yeah but you never thought of that there part of the drug war so while your buying weed etc where did it come from? Yes the dealer or ho ever grew it in his shed or wherever, but trace the seed and then keep tracking all the way through most of the crime rings etc and soon you find your supporting all sorts of stuff indirectly or not.
Now I know a lot of people don't think about it but really it all add's to the bigger un seen picture of crme around the world. And no I'm not just talking drug's, there's all sort's of crime that make's a good chunk of money from drug's and is supported by it due to the demand. When you truly think about it and trace it all then you soon realize it's bigger than some guy it goes worldwide and in to the sort of crime people just don't want to know about.
If you legalize it for those ho "need it" medically some or the majority will abuse there new drug of choice. Friends come round and your smoking some? Don't get me wrong not everyone would but it's clear people would abuse it, I mean people abuse basicaly everything there given so why not drug's?
Alcohol IS a drug.
A drug is simply “Any substance which when absorbed into a living organism may modify one or more of its functions.”
.....erm sorry but I don't actually get your point Ork..scientifically alcohol is more dangerous than weed and it is absolutely a drug, it is simply a legally and socially acceptable one. Just because alcohol is 'acceptable' it doesn't make it any less bad. There is nothing new and awesome to come up with with weed, it is what it is and it is illegal for far more reasons than 'it's bad for you'
I know alcohol is a drug and all that my point is comparing it to weed isn't going to help the over all arguement. Alcohol is what it is but no one can really do anything about it even a ban would simply lead to obvious problems.
Weed is yes also a drug but it's different and it is not alcohol so I don't see the comparison, yes both are "bad" and all but let's face facts as I said everyone know's alcohol is legal and weed is less bad and all of those arguements. But the only way for weed to become legal and accepted is for said new awesome arguement which isn't that alcohol is legal so we should have legal weed.
I'm not for or against it I don't use it or care about it but hearing the same arguement's repeated again and again won't change someones mind the alcohol comparison is one I have heard for years but to me makes no sense, yes alcohol is bad so is being outside of a protective bubble but there not forcing us in to them and making it ilegal to walk outside of said bubbles.
No, the only way it will become legal is if peoples attitudes change. All the arguments you could need are there for all to see but it's behaviour like the government employing people to research this and then sacking them when they don't like what they hear which is the stumbling block
.....erm sorry but I don't actually get your point Ork..scientifically alcohol is more dangerous than weed and it is absolutely a drug, it is simply a legally and socially acceptable one. Just because alcohol is 'acceptable' it doesn't make it any less bad. There is nothing new and awesome to come up with with weed, it is what it is and it is illegal for far more reasons than 'it's bad for you'
Weed was the forbidden fruit in the Adam and Eve tale... it is the fruit of knowledge. That is why the government doesn't want it legalising because people will start to piece things together...
Weed was the forbidden fruit in the Adam and Eve tale... it is the fruit of knowledge. That is why the government doesn't want it legalising because people will start to piece things together...
I do drink alot of caffeine but can go a day or days without it and I dont necessarily need it first thing in the morning.
Alcohol can be addictive too and I am a regular drinker but again I do not believe I am addicted.
Do you think people that are addictive to anything, generally have an addictive nature?
I smoke occasionally, i.e when on holiday or at a get together, a handful of times per year.. but never felt the need to get hooked. I used to be a social smoker years ago but didnt need to smoke during the day.
Im glad I dont appear to get addicted to anything. Whereas I know people that cannot and will not give up things that harm their health. Its up to everyone to make that choice.
I was going to make the same point as Dee - I have always drunk a great deal of coffee but have in the past given it up for a month and have not suffered anything that could remotely be considered withdrawal symptoms as a consequence. I drink a moderate amount of alcohol (usually split a bottle of wine between two over Sunday dinner) but have no issues if for any reason I go without for weeks.
There is probably no activity on Earth that someone will not indulge in to detrimental excess or will not in some way be harmed by. However, life would hardly be worth living if we banned activities on these grounds. There was a local man in his 20s who died recently while cycling because of an undiagnosed heart complaint - should they ban cycling?
Ultimately, living always proves fatal.
My thoughts on cannabis are simple. The side effects are very minimal... yes you are prone to paranoia in SOME cases but when people are high they are much more in control of themselves than if they had had a drink. I think cannabis should be legalised because yes it does have benefits and these out weigh the side effects. Also it is not addictive and does not damage your body. Plus is it a natural substance! My opinion on other recreational drugs are that they are illegal and should stay illegal. Nobody knows whats in them anymore and they have several side effects.
I do wish people would stop trotting out the 'it's a natural substance' argument in relation to drug use. Cyanide, strychnine and arsenic are natural substances but I don't see anybody recommending their recreational use.
weed or some other drug it is alcohol.... so comparing the two as people have done for ages won't help. As for the drug war it's going to keep going!