A previous post got a bit off topic, so I thought that I'd start a proper one here. Basically, what are your thoughts on drugs? In general, and in relation to sex?
While not condoning law breaking, I personally think that certain drug laws are ridiculous. Why is it that alcohol and tobacco are legal, when both cost the NHS countless amounts (does anyone even know why cigarettes have tar in them??), not to mention crime rates and police costs in loud/anti-social/violent behaviour.
Not that I'm saying they should both be made illegal, but considering cannabis has health benefits, and calms people down rather than making violent, why is the government still so firmly against legalising it? Maybe growing it should still be illegal, but if it was policed, and taxed as much as cigarettes and alcohol, then it could even help to fund the NHS and all the smoking/drinking related illnesses and injuries.
And drunk (well, tipsy) sex is pretty cool. I don't go mad with drink generally, but one or two does help me last longer.
Ps, I know the forum rules state "Do not condone or encourage illegal activity", and I don't intend this post to do either, merely discuss and share thoughts and opinions.
dissociatives (like ketamine) i've found to aid in fantasy, especially achieving subspace
whereas alcohol and benzos will loosen up inhibitions(also make anal sex easier)
poppers can be fun, and empathogens will boost pleasure and intimacy tenfold in a secure relationship during sex, if you can manage to have sex
i had sex on a certain legal psychedelic which i won't name, and it was very very weird, fun though. Didn't actually realise that i'd orgasmed for about 5 minutes afterwards
also agree that drug laws should be done away with, if only because they deny the principle that our bodies are our own to do as we will with
I agree with the initial post. I remember we had a special unit for drugs from the police come in for a lecture and teach us about illegal drugs etc but we had a session before on their risks and the classes. There are definitely some politics involved behind some of the ruling of classes and drugs as there are some legal ones that do much more harm. (And yes cigarettes/tobacco and alcohol are the 2 major ones!)
When I asked them about this they couldn't give a proper answer but it's to do with the black market. Basically what the street value is and how much of it is out there. I agree with legalisation of some drugs as I think it will slowly decrease the demand for it. Same with the sex trade industry. If properly regulated, I think all the illegal activity like children and slavery/trafficking will decrease.
You can tell by how other countries have dealt with these issues and the outcome that simply banning things won't get rid of the problem. I like how they are slowly coming round to the idea of legalising and regulating some drugs like in some states (think marijuana/cannabis is being discussed). Would be interesting to see how it pans out.
As for drugs and alcohol personally- No, I don't think I have any desire to use them, especially for sex. I have the general thinking that it does more harm than good. However, I'm a firm believer in all things in moderation but a lot of people go beyond this (only need to look at NHS statistics..)
MDgrape wrote:
also agree that drug laws should be done away with, if only because they deny the principle that our bodies are our own to do as we will with
I don't agree with this statement at all. Yes, if it's just you living on your own in the middle of nowhere.. but it doesn't work like that. If you're off your trolley (with drugs or alcohol) driving or whatever, it's about putting others at risk. Also, if you're living with your family etc. I personally think this is a very selfish way of looking at this issue (no offense intended). For the most part, the laws are there to keep people safe. I agree that some of it is very unfair (as detailed in my post above) but it's there, generally, for a reason.
Ps. It's still early (for me lol) and I don't know if I'm putting my points across well. This topic is pretty heavy. >.<
I worked in Holland where smoking dope was legal, my colleague smoked a lot of really strong stuff, his memory was shot, he had no motivation for anything except smoking more dope. Dunno what his love life was like, I doubt he could be bothered. He was having a great time because he laughed at everything even a piece of paper blowing across the road, to me he was a permanent pain, hecouldn't remember the way to work or the way back or even where he left his car. I smoked one joint legally there it made me feel sick and giddy.
Even the Dutch are reining in their liberal laws I believe.
I was speaking to a youth worker about drug use among teens and she said the new cannabis that is on the market is so strong it is worse than cocaine, once kids are hooked on it they are impossible to motivate to do anything and the damage is more or less permanent.
With alcohol the difference between vodka and beer is clear with dope it isnt.
Cannabis may have supposid health benefits but it has plenty of drawbacks too. Mental health issues for one. The only person I know who smokes the stuff reguarly has definitely changed over the years and not in a good way. Of course one person does not prove anything and what happened to her may well have happened anyway. I do know another person who used to smoke it every day and he really has suffered with mental health issues (Schitzo), once again it may have happened anyway or it may just be the fact there was no moderation.
Of course there are alot of legal stuff that is alot more harmful that needs dealing with.
Although there is heavy debate on the link between mental health issues and drug use (especially cannabis), the drugs merely tick off those that are pre-disposed to the mental health issues. There is a clear genetic link, even though, this is also debated upon. (I literally have 2/3 lecturers that have completely different view points on this issue). I think the statistics speak for themselves though showing basically a slightly increased chance when you're related to someone with schizophrenia, like around 50% if you're identical twins (I think).
As for kids that are hooked on the drugs- this is another issues in itself. For those in deprived areas, moreso, have no motivation but that's not due to the drugs- that's due to the culture around them and other factors (we all have heard about the benefit/welfare culture) and lack of opportunities. At the end of the day, more education is needed. If they want to get their hands on drugs, they will, be it in a store or a dodgy street dealer. Would you prefer them to have something potentially deadly that doesn't even have the proper stuff? (not that the drugs itself is safe...)
I just think it is easier to regulate and educate if the laws are laxed. What good will it have for people to just say "No, don't have this, it's bad for you and/or illegal." The reasons why, should be explained, then they are able to make an informed choice.
My OH smokes a lot and in all honesty I hate the affects it has on him. No mental health issues at all, thank god. But he spends all of his money on it, it makes him slow, lazy, it really effects our sex life, he has a lot less drive, and it affects his perfomance in life in general.
Nymeria wrote:
MDgrape wrote:
also agree that drug laws should be done away with, if only because they deny the principle that our bodies are our own to do as we will with
I don't agree with this statement at all. Yes, if it's just you living on your own in the middle of nowhere.. but it doesn't work like that. If you're off your trolley (with drugs or alcohol) driving or whatever, it's about putting others at risk. Also, if you're living with your family etc. I personally think this is a very selfish way of looking at this issue (no offense intended). For the most part, the laws are there to keep people safe. I agree that some of it is very unfair (as detailed in my post above) but it's there, generally, for a reason.
Ps. It's still early (for me lol) and I don't know if I'm putting my points across well. This topic is pretty heavy. >.<
that's it though, drug driving is illegal, much like drink driving, even though alcohol is legal. I still believe that people have a right to put whatever they want into their bodies, it's like the suicide/euthanasia debate, i believe that the individual must be given total rights over themselves aslong as they aren't harming other people. anything going along with drug usage that harms other people is a seperate issue from actual usage
also people will find ways to get hold of them, resulting in crime, or they will take one of the hundreds of new drugs that appear every single year, with no research available to show how this will affect them long term
portugal has had a lot of success with decriminalisation, i'd prefer full legalisation and handing drug production and regulation over to pharma companies in a free market system
gunther wrote:
I worked in Holland where smoking dope was legal, my colleague smoked a lot of really strong stuff, his memory was shot, he had no motivation for anything except smoking more dope. Dunno what his love life was like, I doubt he could be bothered. He was having a great time because he laughed at everything even a piece of paper blowing across the road, to me he was a permanent pain, hecouldn't remember the way to work or the way back or even where he left his car. I smoked one joint legally there it made me feel sick and giddy.
Even the Dutch are reining in their liberal laws I believe.
I was speaking to a youth worker about drug use among teens and she said the new cannabis that is on the market is so strong it is worse than cocaine, once kids are hooked on it they are impossible to motivate to do anything and the damage is more or less permanent.
With alcohol the difference between vodka and beer is clear with dope it isnt.
the unknown potency is BECAUSE of the illegality though, much like in america during prohibition, where you had people drinking kerosene and antifreeze laced alcohol of unknown potency
handing over markets to criminals does no good for anyone except criminals
ShaftMaster wrote:
Ps, I know the forum rules state "Do not condone or encourage illegal activity", and I don't intend this post to do either, merely discuss and share thoughts and opinions.
You werent condoning it Shaft.. .. shame that we have to worry so much about what we say just because it could be misconstrued.
Back to the thread I totally agree with you,, esp re: alcohol and smoking.
I know and have heard of people who have taken cannabis for years whilst holding down a job, having family etc.
But I think legalising it would be of great benefit overall.
im sorry but you all drink alcohol and smoke tobacco and drink coffee and its okay because the government says so? alcohol and tobacco are much worse than weed. caffeine is as addictive as cocaine, and nicotine is more addictive than heroin.
just think about it, why are drugs bad?
i take drugs regularly and im no worse off, infact im really happy. ecstasy is the best thing for your relationship ever and sex! i could go on. dont knock it until youve tried it. then you'll realise alcohol is the worst drug ever, more side effects than good effects!
p.s i smoke weed every day and i have MORE motivation, im more happy, i wanna socialise with people and have loads of sex
fistinglover69 wrote:
im sorry but you all drink alcohol and smoke tobacco and drink coffee and its okay because the government says so? alcohol and tobacco are much worse than weed. caffeine is as addictive as cocaine, and nicotine is more addictive than heroin.
just think about it, why are drugs bad?
i take drugs regularly and im no worse off, infact im really happy. ecstasy is the best thing for your relationship ever and sex! i could go on. dont knock it until youve tried it. then you'll realise alcohol is the worst drug ever, more side effects than good effects!
Everything in moderation. I dont think the government agree that drinking and smoking is ok .. are you serious the government think its ok?? Which is why the government have banned them being seen on shops and the death warning on packets, maybe there should be warnings on booze?
Would you have research to back up your statements though or is this your own personal thoughts with re to recreational drugs you take and that coffee is worse and more addictive to drugs?
Dee_licious333 wrote:
fistinglover69 wrote:
im sorry but you all drink alcohol and smoke tobacco and drink coffee and its okay because the government says so? alcohol and tobacco are much worse than weed. caffeine is as addictive as cocaine, and nicotine is more addictive than heroin.
just think about it, why are drugs bad?
i take drugs regularly and im no worse off, infact im really happy. ecstasy is the best thing for your relationship ever and sex! i could go on. dont knock it until youve tried it. then you'll realise alcohol is the worst drug ever, more side effects than good effects!
Everything in moderation. I dont think the government agree that drinking and smoking is ok .. are you serious the government think its ok?? Which is why the government have banned them being seen on shops and the death warning on packets, maybe there should be warnings on booze?
Would you have research to back up your statements though or is this your own personal thoughts?
but they do condone it because its legal. they make so much money off it and use the fact that its "bad" as an excuse to bump the prices/tax up and bring in minimum pricing! its ridiculous. humans need substances to get away, to relax etc. its very natural to take subtances which alter your chemistry. many examples in the wild of animals doing this i.e wasps eating rotting fruit as the decayed sugar creates alcohol.
and its not my personal thoughts, i dont smoke and have never had cocaine or heroin so i wouldnt know. there has been research done and the figures looked at
Dee_licious333 wrote:
fistinglover69 wrote:
im sorry but you all drink alcohol and smoke tobacco and drink coffee and its okay because the government says so? alcohol and tobacco are much worse than weed. caffeine is as addictive as cocaine, and nicotine is more addictive than heroin.
just think about it, why are drugs bad?
i take drugs regularly and im no worse off, infact im really happy. ecstasy is the best thing for your relationship ever and sex! i could go on. dont knock it until youve tried it. then you'll realise alcohol is the worst drug ever, more side effects than good effects!
Everything in moderation. I dont think the government agree that drinking and smoking is ok .. are you serious the government think its ok?? Which is why the government have banned them being seen on shops and the death warning on packets, maybe there should be warnings on booze?
Would you have research to back up your statements though or is this your own personal thoughts with re to recreational drugs you take and that coffee is worse and more addictive to drugs?
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/29/magazine/nicotine-harder-to-kickthan-heroin.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
american study, but the point is valid and has been backed up in other studies
oh i give up with this discussion. you cant make people open their eyes and make their own decisions about drugs. its a very taboo subject because the government says its bad so people have to think that too without looking at the evidence, side effects, long term effects of drug use and then deciding. why is it the government that decides what we do with out life anyway? theyve replaced our parents as we've grown up and people accept that. we only have one life, have as much fun as you possibly can. once you've had drugs you wont go back and i know i will never stop taking - im not addicted to anything, nor am i stupid enough to end up like that
Smoking a cigarette or drinking coffee doesnt affect my ability to drive.
drinking beer does affect my ability to drive adversely thats why it is illegal however I am hopeless at pool untill I've drunk a couple of beers, dunno what thats all about. To me sex and drugs dont mix we havnt had sex after a drink since the eighties.
I would agree the effects of dope vary from person to person, but the people i have seen really hooked on the strong stuff were sad cases, same for booze I suppose though. Having been in a few "coffee shops" in Holland, they are not happy places in general, quite miserable really, people spaced out in their own world.
My thoughts on cannabis are simple. The side effects are very minimal... yes you are prone to paranoia in SOME cases but when people are high they are much more in control of themselves than if they had had a drink. I think cannabis should be legalised because yes it does have benefits and these out weigh the side effects. Also it is not addictive and does not damage your body. Plus is it a natural substance! My opinion on other recreational drugs are that they are illegal and should stay illegal. Nobody knows whats in them anymore and they have several side effects.