Box of burning desires and communicating about sex in a relationship help/advice

Hello, I recently brought the game “box of burning desires” for my partner and I to play whilst we have a romantic evening away this coming weekend.

My partner struggles to open up about her true feelings/desires/fantasies etc. and after reading a few reviews on this game I thought I would give it ago.

I’m wondering if anyone has played this game and have any suggestions on how best to play?

As I mentioned, my partner struggles to be open about sex and I also (mainly because of her lack of opening up) struggle to open up about certain elements of our sex life I would love to openly discuss with her.

We tried the app “spice” but we didn’t really get anywhere because again she struggled to open up on the app. I’m hoping talking face to face after a couple of glasses of wine in a romantic setting might help do the trick.

Hope all is well with those reading this post.

Cheers,

Sparks…

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Hi. I have never played the game, so can’t help with that, but whenever I hear about someone whose partner is uptight about sex, I feel I have to suggest they grasp the nettle and open up more themselves.

Your partner sounds a lot like my wife used to be, and I found that getting over my own inhibitions gave her ‘permission’ to get over most of hers. The game will probably be a good start and sounds like fun, but taking the lead and enjoying sex without shame was the key for us.

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I would normally suggest another quiz called Carnal Calibration that is really good for giving suggestions. But it does require both parties to be open, like @2xtourists has said, because you’re not being open, it may be that your partner is taking your lead. One of you are going to have to jump in, so its going to have to be you. Have a look at the link yourself, there are 3 levels, I’d suggest you start at beginners. It may help the conversation if you do it together rather than separately, as long as you both want to open up and talk about sex. I would also suggest telling your wife of your plan so she’s not surprised and doesn’t clam up.
Be romantic, but keep it silly and fun.

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Games are a good way to discuss sensitive topics in a fun way. The ones I’ve played all tend to be similar.

Ive been listening to some really good podcasts about pleasure and desire and having open conversations about wants and wishlists.

One suggestion that might be a good one without a scary list of acts and kinks is the QTIP quiz which gives an idea of your preferences for turn on initiation preferences.

I recommend the Come As You Are podcast for some friendly exploration of sex and relationships.

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Sounds like you’ve a good plan set up to enjoy regardless of how it turns out :slightly_smiling_face:

That’s a fair point. There are certain things I really want to open up to her about but there is still some shame/embarrassment/guilt around these things.

I have opened up to her about some of these things (let’s say the milder side) and the response I had was “I never thought I would have to do something like that” which in all honesty goes around in my mind and knocked me for a while.

I get the impression she knows some of the things I won’t to open up about but I get the impression she is nervous about what I could really say and/or just isn’t interested in those things.

Whenever I ask about her desires etc (which to be honest has only been a handful of times in our 7 year relationship) she has always replied with “not much really” or “I don’t want to try something new” etc.

It feels I’m fighting a losing battles but I can’t just sit her and do nothing as it’s causing me a lot of anxiety/frustration/hopelessness.

This game is probably more for me than for her.

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Thank you for this suggestion. We have used the spicer app which appears on the face of it to be very similar. Her responses were very cagey so she either doesn’t have any other desires or doesn’t want to open up about them.

I asked probably 5 times (maybe 6) to sit down and go through the answers together but there was always something that got in the way which made me think she doesn’t really want to go through the answers.

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This is a fantastic quiz. I did this last night and was quite surprised how I answered myself. I will really try to get my partner to answer this as I learnt a lot about myself here. Thanks for sharing

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Fingers crossed

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Stick at it. Your partner sounds exactly like my wife used to be - and still is, to a certain extent, because although she has become more amenable to trying most of the new things I suggest, every single thing that happens in our sex life - and I literally mean 100 per cent - is led by me.

For me (us) the answer was to be completely upfront, open and honest, which means losing all your inhibitions and shame. You can’t expect her to actually do things if you can’t even talk to her about them freely (and at the moment you don’t even seem comfortable enough to share them with us, under the cover of anonymity).

It also helps if she understands that although your ideas might sound kinky to her, there are plenty of couples who do it, whatever it is, and thousands of porn clips showing it. Even if she won’t watch porn with you, let her see what you are watching, and that you aren’t ashamed to enjoy it.

I am also guessing that your partner is unwilling to do certain ‘kinky’ things because she fears it is the thin end of the wedge and will inevitably lead to extreme kinks that she really can’t handle. Bear this in mind when you come up with ideas.

For example, I fancied wearing my wife’s knickers for sex, but I am certain that her first thought was not ‘that could be fun’ (which is now her approach) but rather: knickers today means bra, wig and lipstick tomorrow, which is her worst nightmare, but not where it was leading, anyway. So you may also have to allay some fears.

In the end, getting your partner to try some of your kinky ideas (especially as she will enjoy some (and probably most) of them as much as you) brings you closer together. Not only do you get to enjoy an erotic new experience, but in our experience (of 36 years of marriage so far), if you share something daring and/or kinky, it makes your relationship feel more loving and intimate, because you feel that you have been brave and on a journey together, and it’s great to have a little secret between you.

Hopefully it goes without saying that all of the above needs to be consensual, respectful and legal. If it isn’t, you need professional help, not ours.

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Thank you 2xtourists, this is a great response and one I think I needed to hear. You’re completely right, I’ve been very guarded in the things I want to discuss with my partner on here which kind of says it all.

I suppose where a lot of this stems from is my upbringing. I grew in a classic “working-class” environment where men don’t talk about their feelings, are seen as “macho” and all of those stereotypical things that come with this. Because of this upbringing, my perception of what it is to be a man, and how a man should act is skewed. (This may not be 100% true but could be the cause of the isse)

I’ll share my desires/fantasies here which feels difficult to even type out and there is definitely thoughts of what if someone I know reads this, which I appreciate is totally bonkers… so here goes.

Before I met my partner I decided to engage with gay/bi men and ended up having sex with one and fooling around with 4 or 5 (cant remember exact number as a lot of alcohol was involved). In all honesty I absolutely loved it, and to this day still fantasise about these encounters and get really turned on when I think about them.

I have always known I’m at least bisexual from a young age (say 16) but I have always pushed this to one side and thought in all honesty these feeling will pass and truly in denial about how I truly feel. (Not healthy I know). Sadly theres a lot of shame about my feelings, also guilt and embarrassment. I don’t know why I have these feelings and I really wish I didnt but it just feel’s like I shouldnt be having these feelings and there is something wrong.

Please dont read the above thinking I’m homophobic or that having these feelings is wrong, I really dont think that about anyone else or the wider world etc. I have a gay friend and commend him for living his life the way he wants too (perhaps there is some envy there).

Anyway, I have desires about having sex with men again and/or my partner using a strap on with me… which feels like a good half way house.

I asked her years ago about the use of a strap on and she replied “I didnt think this is something I would ever have to do” which as I previously mentioned constantly plays on my mind.

On another note, I really enjoy being spanked and over the past couple of years have learnt to accept this. After a few chats about the subject, and trying lots, she now spanks me quite often and think she really does enjoy doing it to me because she sees how much I enjoy it. There was a time however, after each time she would finish spanking me I would bury my head in the pillow and want to run away because I felt embarrassed and guilty asking her to do this, one time I was close to tears. However, this happened a number of times and on one occassion she asked me “Would you prefer if someone else did it to you?” I immediately responded “No” and we both sat in silence for a long time and never spoke about it since.

I have no real idea what she meant by that question but I’ve often thought about if often. Would she be surprised if I mentioned I like men and/or want to use a strap on? There are so many other things I want to discuss/try with her but this is by far the biggest one and one I’m most scared of.

Wow this was not how I was expecting this chat to go but clearly think I needed to write this down…

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Never played it but it sounds good and hopefully will mean she can open up more without feeling uncomfortable.

Good luck!

I am quite relieved that my reading between the lines on your original post turned out to be fairly accurate. Although I didn’t have you down as somebody who had already enjoyed/experimented with sex involving other men, I wouldn’t have been surprised if you had said you were bicurious.

That is probably because most of us (if we are honest) are curious and even fascinated by the prospect of at least sucking another man’s cock, and it is something that most of us will also consider after a long relationship, when we need to keep it fresh and thoughts inevitably become kinkier. In my experience from talking openly with other men on the subject, I am guessing it is far more common than you imagine.

The question is how you deal with that - as an individual and a couple.

In our case it was straightforward (although not easy) as it is all to do with sharing a cock with my wife, and it’s just a fantasy as there is no option, for us, for involving a third person in our sex life. My wife and I are very close and we don’t have any secrets, so when I started getting turned on by bicurious porn, there was really no option but to come clean.

If it’s any help: despite surprise at first and a few fears, she now embraces it, realising I am not going to leave her for a gay lover or anything. I wouldn’t say the idea of her husband with another man turns her on (although it may, in time), but I understand a lot of women do think the idea is erotic.

Either way, you may find that when you eventually tell your partner (as you obviously must), the news could go down far better than you fear. The way she has accepted spanking (lucky you) suggests she will soon come to the only sensible conclusion - that your bisexual tendencies are probably harmless, life is too short and there are much worse things you could be into.

Whether you go through with more bisexual fun and whether your partner might join in is a different issue to whether you should confess.

Finally, if you are like me, you will also find that confessing to kinky things may be a bit daunting, but it can be pleasurable in its own right, for various reasons, so go for it.

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Thank you for your response as it actually has given me the push I needed.

So, over the weekend we ended up having a chat (can’t quite believe we did talk because it’s been years since I’ve wanted to say something). I didn’t confess to everything outlined in my previous post however we talked about sex in general and how I would like more intimacy and for us to communicate better about sex and be more open as a couple about all sorts of things (not just sex related).

We talked a lot and I said “I would just like us to be more flirty, open to the idea of discussing sex and have meaningful conversations about sex and intimacy in our relationship. I don’t want us to hold things in, not tell each other things and ultimately I want us to be closer and more intimate”.

We both agreed we aren’t good at discussing this topic openly. She did however state that she can’t go from zero to talking about sex. We previously played the spicer app and she didn’t enjoy it because she phrased it as “the sex for me is the branch at the end of the tree of intimacy. When we are really close, have built better foundations as a couple and on the amount of intimacy, then we could talk about these things but for me it’s too serious to talk about off the cuff, I can’t really joke around on the subject and this is a by-product of closeness and intimacy etc”

It was great to hear her speak so openly because I really had no idea she felt like this. I thought it could be due to other reasons (my thoughts clearly getting in the way).

She was and still is a bit upset because she said “we have never had the things you want in our relationship and it sounds like you want me to be something I’m not” I reassured her that’s not true and gave a few examples of times when we have been (let’s say more of where I would like us to be).

Relationships aren’t easy, they take time and work is required.

I suggested we have a date night every two weeks to prioritise us time (we have a young family so time is often difficult) and every other week we do a something or a gesture towards the other person to show we are thinking of them (could be as simple as making a cup of tea for them).

She liked the idea and we are going to start small. I do love her and want to work things with her however I suppose I am disappointed that even talking about sex openly is difficult for her when for me it is the complete opposite. I clearly have a lot more that I want to tell her and discuss and potentially even suggest to her but we are clearly a long way off from that.

As I mentioned, I do love her and it’s going to take time but will be worth it I’m sure

Thanks again

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I definitely back other’s advice in being the first to “take the plunge”, as it were. If you expect your partner to open up, but aren’t open yourself, she may feel like you’re trying to interrogate her or get some juicy gossip on her with nothing to gain for her in return. The more casual about your own sexual interests you are, the more open to discussion she may be.

One of the things I had to learn in my relationship is that I am kinkier than what my husband is, he’s probably a cinnamon roll to my vindaloo :joy: anyway, one of the things I had to learn was that him not having kinks and sexy interests was not him hiding them from me - he really isn’t as interested in sex as what I am!

Also, games didn’t work for me, or us. I tried him on the Desire app and he’s just not interested in it. It’s not a game, you just choose dares (or write your own) that get turned into a kind of “scratchcard” that you send to your partner, that are anything from romantic to downright kinky. What really works for me is watching TV programmes on sex with my husband. It becomes more like a discussion then, rather than an interrogation.

It can be frustrating, but I encourage you to open up anyway and see what happens. Good luck!

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Reading this post was spooky for me, because although some of the finer details are different (mainly that you are younger than us) it otherwise perfectly describes how my wife and I were/are together, and I could have written almost exactly the same post.

My wife sounds remarkably like yours, and if my experience is anything to go by, you will need to have the same conversation at regular intervals as its effect is only temporary and the goalposts are always moving.

The good news is the issue is resolved if you keep working at it - and it’s so worth it in the end.

When I say the ‘issue’, I mean the one that all couples must face up to, to a greater or lesser extent, which is: no two people have perfectly matched sexual appetites. That is probably even more true for heterosexual couples, because men and women are wired so differently, especially when it comes to sex.* It even extends to how willing you each are to talk about it, as we know.

Not only will the two halves of a couple have different appetites when it comes to how often they want sex, but also in what they want out of it. And even in the very unlikely event that they want the same, they are not necessarily going to be in the same mood on any given day. To make matters even more complicated: it seems to me that as women get older, they are generally more content to carry on doing the same, but men tend to want more variety, so get kinkier and more adventurous/experimental.

We have already discussed the importance of dumping whatever shame or inhibitions you have, before you can expect your wife to do the same. One benefit of this is it makes communication much easier. But it is only the first step because your wife hit the nail on the head when she said you can’t turn her into something she is not. She may lighten up and change a bit, but she is probably never going to be exactly what you want, so you have to find some big compromises.

In our case (to cut a very long story very short, and simplify), my wife understands that even if she isn’t in the mood for an orgasm herself, helping me to masturbate makes me happy and is actually quite fun (if not orgasmic) for her. And if just a cuddle is all she requires to fulfil her physical needs tonight, that’s honestly OK with me (which it took her a long time to take on board, because she felt more pressure than I ever realised).

And while we were talking about pressure: I got her to realise that it is a huge pressure on me if I am the only one thinking/fantasising about sex - and the biggest pressure of all is when she won’t even talk about it. So she has to play her part and not rely on me.

It always comes back to communication in the end.

*This generally means the man is far more up for it than the woman, although the post by @Tenshadesandme proves there are exceptions!

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Sorry to throw a spanner in your works, @2xtourists ! :sweat_smile:

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Hi @Sharps
Great thread. Love some of the chat and advice above, particularly from @2xtourists. Very interesting.
Great that you and your wife are communicating a bit more. That’s the key.
It’s a common story in many ways and one I relate to.
After kids and life changes, our sex life died (I’m male, married in a straight relationship)
Like many, sex was great in the start but after two kids, prolapses, health issues, busy jobs et al we were done.
Sex became something we either argued about, or more commonly just the source of simmering unspoken resentment.
Ultimately it was therapy that got us back on track; safe space to talk and listen.
At that stage, my wife was honestly happy to never have sex again (something she said at the time) and I think I was really afraid she didn’t love me and at some point would get her spark back, but with a different guy. But I didn’t realize that was my fear.
Much like what your wife said, we really had to rekindle our intimacy in a non sexual way in order to kickstart our sex lives again.
It was a big journey but I recommend Sex, Love and Goop as a great show to watch together.
It’s the story of some diverse couples working on their sex lives and a few different therapists.
Normalizing sex, fantasies, wants and needs really helps.
We both agreed that sexuality is a powerful force in human relationships and it can be the most wonderful bonding energy.
Now, we are not at it like rabbits but it’s always improving (up and down sometimes)
It’s a positive story because my dreams have come true and we have a stack of sex toys, tons of kinky lingerie and have epic sex sessions where she has loads of orgasms.
If love and respect is in your relationship, and a willingness to communicate and be open to change, amazing things are possible.
Listen to Come as You Are podcast and read the book by Dr Emily Nagoski, a researcher into female sexuality.
Massive help.
There’s lots of information out there to support.
I listened, read and watched.
It’s all helpful.
Now we make sure we date each other!
You need romance, dinners, dances, flattery, gifts, nights in hotels …
This forum is a great resource and outlet also!
Good luck in your adventures :blush:

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Thanks for this, @our-adventure-bed (great name!). So much of it rings true.

We have been married for 36 years and it has been a constant battle to bridge the gap between what we each want, sexually, but we have somehow stayed in love and best friends, and we think we are a great team and an important example to our family.

You have to keep on working at it, but it’s so worth it in the end.

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Hi all, thank you so much for your responses, much appreciated and sorry for my slow response, we went on holiday and always try my best to not go on my phone.

My initial reaction to all the above responses are that this will take time, work and patience. In all honesty, I keep running a story in my head of that I should have noticed/identified/known what I wanted out of a relationship earlier in life and seeked a partner with similar outlook.

As mentioned above, there is a lot of shame, guilt, embarrassment and frustration about my true feelings and desires and I have gone through the exact same pattern in two previous long relationships of - hide or bury my true feelings, get along fine for 3/4 years, constantly pushing these desires/thoughts/feelings to one side then for whatever reason around the 4/5 year feel I can’t hide them anymore and end the relationship.

I’ve done this twice, had a relatively short period of being single, say 6-12 months, indulged/experimented in some desires (very limited to what I actually desire because of the guilt/fear of being caught etc.) and then started the cycle again.

This relationship we have a child and I want to work on the relationship and open up about my desires as much as possible instead of repeating the above.

I’ve been working with a kink therapist the past 12 months and she has helped me be more accepting about what my true values are, who I am as a person and what my desires are. I suppose. I’m coming to terms with my sexuality and who I am as a person however I still have a lot of negative thoughts about myself which I’m working towards.

I understand no two people are a like and sex/desires will all vary but the thought of being the one who has to initiate everything when the other person perhaps doesn’t want to talk seems draining to me. I’m naturally impatient and I suppose want things to be perfect now (working on this also).

I just need to take a deep breath and remind myself we love each other and are in this for the long term. With love, support and patience… anything is possible

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