Foreskin, or not foreskin? That, is the question!

I find it disrespectful saying an intact / uncut / as they were intended penis isn’t clean…

I have been with quite a few guys with a foreskin and all have been clean down there as they have all washed it isn’t rocket science.

As a mother to boys I taught them about washing properly from a young age too…

I prefer a penis with a foreskin…I prefer men with body hair…love the natural look of a male…

If for medical reasons it has to be removed then it has to be…but removing it for any other reason seems barbaric and if done to baby boys it’s taking away their choice.

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A bonus of having a foreskin is we don’t need lube to have a wank.
As a male i think circumcised cocks look ugly.
Why remove it for religious reasons, based on fairy stories thousands of years old? If “God” didn’t want males to have foreskins why did he design males with one?
Most male animals in nature have a protective sheath around their penis, we are the only one’s who remove them.
Having seen circumcision operation pictures i find it barbaric to do that to a child. Can you imagine the outcry if a similar operation was socially acceptable on baby girls? (I know it happens in less civilised cultures, but i mean mainstream cultures like in America) The foreskin is similar to and as sensitive aa labia, so why deny a male that pleasure?

The hygiene excuse is just bollocks, even thousands of years ago people bathed, and in the 21st century it isn’t difficult to keep it clean.

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This is literally how I started to realize something just wasn’t right. In the US they don’t ever tell you that you are missing part of your body. They don’t sit down and explain “hey you had this thing called a foreskin, the foreskin does x y and z, and we cut yours off you because (insert usually ignorant BS reason here).” Most guys especially growing up don’t realize there is anything missing and because of that most don’t view it as a part of the human body, that’s how disconnected we are in the US. We have been conditioned to forget what the natural human body is. And it’s glossed over with generic often misinformed stereotypes like “oh it’s unclean” “it looks ugly” “you will get sick” “you’ll have bad sex” which all falls apart the moment you start objectively looking into it.

For me the biggest factor in realizing something wasn’t right is that masturbation without a foreskin frankly SUCKS (and not in a fun way). It’s so obvious that something is supposed to be moving down there and when it’s all so tight that the skin starts literally tearing apart when not using lube it feels unnatural. The foreskin is literally a stroker toy build in with lube and extra nerves. Ontop of making sex more comfortable for your partner and protecting your glans. I feel like the medical industry owes me a lifetime supply of sex toys and lube to begin making up for stealing my god given one.

Jokes aside I fully believe in giving every guy the choice to decide for themselves if they want to keep their foreskin or not. And I’ll scream it from the rough tops for all the foreskin haters, “I don’t care if you like or hate it, I want my foreskin back and deserve to have been allowed to have a say in it being cut off MY body.”

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@John96 couldn’t agree more it’s barbaric and entirely unnecessary and should only be done with consent
As an uncut guy one of life’s pleasures is slowly pulling back my foreskin over the erect glans

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There’s the old saying “What you never had, you never miss”
But that is a load of rubbish.
I sincerely feel sorry for all those who were needlessly disfigured without consent.

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Exactly, EVERYONE always immediately resorts to the argument that “well they don’t remember it” and “No guy ever complains about being cut” but the moment you complain as a cut guy it’s all of a sudden “well your opinion doesn’t matter because /everyone else/ is happy so it’s a problem with you, not with what was done to you” so guys don’t complain but when they do it doesn’t count?

And as hard as it is to believe, I had nightmares growing up of being very small, strapped down naked, seeing a doctor hold up a silver bell, and then sharp pain. I had that nightmare for years. I just thought I had a weird fixation and fear of doctors. And then a couple years later come to learn the nightmare matches up exactly with how circumcision is performed. I still find it hard to believe myself, but I somehow have memories of it happening.

Moral of the story, CONSENT makes all the difference. (Which everyone here should hopefully understand well) Cutting body parts off people without THEIR consent is bad. If you’re happy, wonderful, but don’t discount those who aren’t. We all have preferences and that’s a wonderful thing, and we all deserve to keep or alter our own bodies so that we can each live happily in our own skin.

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Honestly i believe you when you say you had nightmares.
It’s the 21st century and about time the circumcision of infants was outlawed. How can any supposedly civilised society allow it to continue?

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@Oldman .. why do we have eye lids…or any other skin for that matter…nature evolved us thus.
I wonder who started the circumcision thing and why.
Im surprised at a nation with a developed culture like the USA, has never qusstioned why circumcisions is necessary.
What could a harmless piece of skin do?
I view it no differently than some cultures who cut off a young girls clitoris, because they view it a sinful for a woman to get enjoyment from sex…evil, cruel and barbaric.
There is nothjng so £%#@ up as the human mind, especially one that has been conditioned by a religious dogma.

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Ive just read about why " God" asked Abraham to cut off his foreskin as a symbol of the covenant between him and " God" … ,… ,…
Thank goodness im an atheist and my brain isnt polluted by religious or cultural stuff started thousands of years ago.
Im not picking on the jewish faith by any means, just using this as an example as circumcision is a requirement in this religion 8 days after birth.
Im sure there are other religions with similar traditions or requirements.

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Just to be fair…the Muslim faith also advocate circumcision.
Seems Muhammed said it demonstrated cleanliness and purity…its also seen as a right of passage into adulthood within the faith…
Is this some masochistic kink from the past… each to their own kink, but ive probably not got enough to be willie nilly ( excuse the pun, no in fact thats maybe where it came from ) cutting bits off.!!

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I really dont think it’s a joke. In the US, it’s marketing. It’s medical “care” marketed forcefully to the customer (not a patient, as it would be in Europe), because medical care i the US is a profit making industry.

I find this very sad, honestly.

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Agreed it is no joke, I spent over a decade volunteering with not for profits educating expecting parents in the US about circumcision and the harm it does and on the benefits of bodily autonomy. I’ve spent thousands of hours researching the topic and know just about everything there is to know. I simply used the phrase “all jokes aside” as a way of breaking the tone of the post. Not to infer that circumcision is a joke. As hard as it is, if you try and discuss circumcision with people and treat it like the genital mutilation that it is, you don’t get through to as many people. Cognitive dissonance prevents most Americans from having a direct discussion on the topic. You have to plant the seed through more gentle conversation to keep people open to new information. Trust me I am a very upset cut male who treats this topic very seriously. It’s hard not to get very upset when discussing the topic. But if you come off too strong or show too much emotion I’ve learned that’s when people stop listening and write you off as weird or obsessed.

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To be honest, i didnt realise that between 70-80% of American guys are circumcised…i knew it was common, but not to that level !!
I did read in recent decades the numbers were reducing, as medical authorities can not provide any substantive evidence that there is any health benefits attached to the practice.

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It was so common at one point that most Americans will never know what a foreskin even looks like in person. So most American adults don’t even think about it because to them it doesn’t exist. The rates have been dropping thankfully and that should hopefully continue. Most Insurances no longer cover it which is great and with more being left intact many Americans are going to start being exposed to foreskin and that’s going to hopefully also help.

It’s just difficult because there’s so much hate in America targeted at the foreskin because we have 3 generations that have no experience with it at all besides the urban legends they have been told over and over. Many genuinely don’t even know what the foreskin is, and sex is so taboo to talk about that it’s hard to educate people. Plus because many parents chose to cut their sons, you basically have to get them to accept and internalize that they mutilated their own sons, in order to change their mind on the topic. And that’s such a horrible traumatizing realization that the brains natural defense mechanisms to protect us from mental trauma literally prevent them from accepting that a lot of the time. It’s not that they don’t want to think about it, the human psyche literally blocks the thought out as trauma. Which is why so many Americans immediately get violently angry when you bring up the topic. (I’ve had people actually threaten me and my family for trying to educate people in the past)

The “studies” have thankfully had so many holes pocked in them that most medical organizations are getting more sheepish about marketing the “benefits” they used to. But it’s still a roughly 100 BILLION dollar industry so there’s a lot of financial pressure for it to continue. Foreskins are crucial for making fibroblasts which is used in a majority of anti-aging cosmetics. So the cosmetics industry needs the circumcising to continue.

Then you have the social aspect. Americans often hate the very idea of foreskin because they don’t understand it. Women immediately reject it in many cases with revulsion, because that’s what they were raised to do, they just have no accurate knowledge or exposure to it. When all you’ve ever seen and known as normal is cut penises, and all you’ve ever heard about foreskin is it being gross and dirty, it’s extremely hard to change ones perspective on it. Most people that cut their sons now do it out of purely social pressure, and that’s if they even know that there is an option to leave their son whole. Many don’t even know that’s an option. That’s just how disconnected America is with the foreskin. It has been almost completely erased from our culture. And even when parents do push to protect their sons and leave them with their foreskins, American doctors are so ignorant about the foreskin that they often instruct parents to care for their sons penis in ways that actually cause harm, like forcefully retracting the foreskin to clean, or mistaking normal ballooning for phimosis and then convincing parents their son now has a “medical need” to be circumcised. Which is crazy since phimosis in most cases cannot be accurately diagnosed until much later in life when they become sexually active. And even then there’s other options besides cutting the foreskin off. But that’s just all American doctors know how to do.

And the irony is that it all began not because of medical studies and a false belief in benefits. It was popularized and pushed in America because people wanted to erase the “SIN” of sexuality. Circumcision was literally popularized in the US as a way to remove sexual pleasure so boys wouldn’t /couldn’t masturbate and so that couples would have no sex drive and only have sex for the purposes of having kids. America 4 generations ago knew what a foreskin was, and they knew it played such an important role in sexuality and pleasure, that they believed removing it would be the best way to destroy sexual pleasure to the point that no one would would enjoy it enough to participate in the “SIN” of sex for pleasure and masturbation. They knew the foreskin was so important they believed removing it would make boys unable to masturbate with reduced sensitivity and no gliding skin. Obviously it didn’t work as well as they had hoped, but it has certainly caused a LOT of problems that Americans believe are “normal”. Tight painful erections, the need for lube, painful rough intercourse, dried out “keratinized” penis glans, and mass erectile dysfunction to the point of needing to develop a whole industry of drugs just to get hard for sex.

When you think about that as a cut man, you really start to realize what you experience is probably such a diluted, bland version of what you should be. We will never get to know what true natural sexual pleasure feels like.

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How do you explain a particular colour to someone blind from birth, a particular sound to someone deaf from birth?
If you were mutilated at birth it’s hard to describe what sensations and pleasure you were denied.

Wow…that is an insight that could only come from someone with direct experience of living within in a culture.
Extremely well composed piece.
It highlights how there can be mass subliminal pressure exerted on an otherwise intelligent population.
I have mentioned both the Jewish and Islamic religions in this thread, but the bible thumping Christians are equally zealous in their obsessive promotion of pious dogma.

@John96 . To your knowledge, has anyone in the US raised a lawsuit against their parents, for genital mutilation.
That would certainly set a precedent if successful..
Could you imagine the following number of cases . Would there be sufficient lawyers to table the litigation cases?
Then the follow on lawsuits from the parents against the medical practioners who provided the medical advice.
How many zeros would you put after that dollar sign ?

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I am aware of female genital mutilation (FGM) but had no idea about how common male circumcision is in America or about the arguments you have raised against it @John96. You have certainly made me think about something I hadn’t given much thought to before.

@Simon_101 I hope you are doing ok following your op - clearly very different circumstances for you to those described by @John96 but hope you are on the mend

Thank you.

Progress is very good to be honest, today is ‘day 17’ after surgery and can honestly say that so far it has not been as difficult as I thought. Not taken any painkillers at all, haven’t had any major swelling or other complications either.

The stitches are starting to disappear now too. The only discomfort has been when getting a night time ‘semi’ when you can feel some tightness, but far less than the previous pain from Phimosis.

Worst thing is having to avoid any swimming or sexual activities for six weeks, only another 25 days to go :joy:

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Hope the next 25 days fly by :+1:

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