Rant: Loved, Ghosted, Blocked, Labelled... What? (Long)

Hey Lovehoney,

I’m just writing here because I feel numb and I’m shaking, and I don’t know whether that’s with anxiety, confusion or rage - maybe even all three.

So we’ll call my ex the classic “Dave”.

Dave and I were friends for some years, we both have health problems and we’d always supported one another through that. We met online, but we’ve met twice in person too and it was fine. There was one time that maybe should have been a red flag for me - when Dave acted a bit entitled to me - but I laughed it off. He seemed nice and harmless, how could it be a sign of anything bad?

I’m polyamorous, and a few years ago I met a man who wanted a relationship with me but didn’t want his wife to know - obviously not okay! I stuck to my guns and said that’s not okay with me, and he abused me and “hoovered” me because I wasn’t going to just roll over and accept it. There were kids involved too, so no way was I going to willingly ruin their life so I could have their father!

We “broke up” after he found someone else, and Dave had been a good friend to me through it all so I was surprised when Dave told me that he was “fond” of me that very evening - something I now see as jealousy. I’d never thought of Dave that way before, but he was such a good friend to me that if he could be patient with me whilst I got my bearings again then I would be open to giving “us” a go.

So, we did.

That relationship generally went better, not perfect, but better. There were some glaring red flags for me though, like Dave once wrote a blog post (he’s a blogger too) called “they say he has a harem”. I didn’t want to be “collected” and objectified like that, and I found it quite disrespectful to my worth. I’ve since learned that it was a reference to a joke his mother made once, but how was I to know? I’ve never met her.

Next, there was the time Dave tried to cheat on me. Yes Lovehoney, you read that correctly, my ex tried (and failed) to cheat on me - the other person didn’t show up. Dave expected me to forgive him though because it didn’t actually happen. I did, but I never will again: any history or act of cheating is an immediate dealbreaker for me from here on out.

Lastly, Dave nominated me for an award - because of my work - and I felt really icky about his possible reasons for doing it. I was grateful for the nomination but I didn’t want the award because I’m quite humble about my work - the gratitude, views, likes, backlinks and requests for collaboration that I get is my greatest reward.

But I felt like, as Dave’s submissive, I felt like this was more about him - I felt it was about him having bragging rights and showing me off, as my Daminant: “look how great my submissive is, look how great I am as a Dominant (for nominating her)”. Again, I didn’t want that; I didn’t want to feel objectified as a submissive because of my work, in my work where I’m the boss. Call me ungrateful maybe, but that’s the way I felt about it all.

So that brings us to the most recent incident. Around summertime we were messing around with ice creams and ice lollies. Dave sent me a video of him suggestively licking an ice cream, so I bought some ice lollies and returned fire (all is fair in love and war, right? :wink: ). He responded with “could be better” - no emojis or anything, and that hurt because I felt like he was saying I could be better, or the video could be better, even though I’d put effort into it to please him and did something I wouldn’t normally do, also to please him. So I told him I needed some time alone because I was feeling hurt - I was feeling ill anyway (unbeknownst to me I was coming down with quite a stonker of a bug that day too!) and I ended up having to block him because he then started messaging hubby to ask how I was. I needed to send a clear signal that when I say “I need some time alone”, I really mean “I want to be left alone.”

Dave then wrote a post and said that what he said wasn’t what he meant to say, and that what he meant was that the situation would be better if we had shared the ice lolly. So I eventually forgave him and said we could try again, as long as we could agree to work on our communication. Dave was having none of that.

First of all, he told me that he loved me “more than he thought he did” (I’m humbled by that, it’s always nice to make a good impression on people, isn’t it?) and “hadn’t been sleeping right” because of what I’d said - about feeling objectified - then he told me that I should have asked for clarification instead of jumping to conclusions. I shot back at that that - I said that if he’d just included an emoji, such as a winky face, it would have changed everything and I wouldn’t have needed to ask for clarification. Really, it’s up to him to be clear about the intentions and meanings of his messages, although I can admit that it wouldn’t hurt me to to pause and ask for clarification the next time something catches me off-guard. It’s also very dangerous to use inside jokes around people who aren’t in on them, especially when it’s about them - that’s how feelings get hurt, whether intentionally or not.

I heard nothing from Dave for three days, so I reached out to him again last week to let him know that if I didn’t hear from him within a week then I would take it that he didn’t want to work on things and I would be moving on. When I went to check on him on Facebook the next day - because I was worried something might have happened to him - I was surprised to discover that he had blocked me, though not my husband. He even posted a passive-aggressive Facebook status about removing the “toxicity” from his life, even though I’ve been nothing but loving, patient and supportive towards him and only tried to communicate my problems with his actions towards me. I’ve never shouted at him, called him names, demeaned him or anything. I tried some gentle humour to try and break the tension between us but if that makes me “toxic” then I’m amongst the worst.

So I emailed Dave one last time and basically said “thankyou for blocking me instead of communicating with me like I asked, please never contact me again”. That was that, I moved on.

Today he messaged hubby, finally, one quite long message. I don’t know what was said and I’ve already said that I don’t particularly care, all I know is that the summary is he doesn’t want me back, I guess, because I’m “toxic”. I said in a comment quite recently about the break-up, and about the kinds of people who (label people and) don’t like boundaries. Either way, it seems my mother was exactly right when I told her about my situation on Tuesday - maybe Dave really is a narcissist.

Thankyou for always being there, Lovehoney. I love being here for you, it’s nice knowing there are some great people here who are here for me too :slight_smile:

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He sounds awful, weirdly controlling almost like he enjoys playing with your emotions- making obvious bad decisions and not taking accountability. Well done for getting through that, I imagine it was draining, keep your head up high.

And then for him to go on about “cutting toxicity” out of his life, classic narcissists projecting. :roll_eyes:

Hopefully he doesn’t cause you any more greif, he sounds like a right bellend (and not the type we like here). Just remember your worth and don’t give him the time of day :heart_hands: :people_hugging:

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Unfortuantely that’s something I have found in a number of “Dominants” (I don’t say all, I’d like to believe that there are still some who are genuine and capable of good communication). It was definitely draining, knowing that you’re not asking for a lot, just to be treated with respect outside of a scene. That’s all I ever want really, respect outside of a BDSM scene.

I did think that. I sort of let it get to me more than I should have (classic empath :joy:) and when I read stuff I came to realise it’s a projection, then I started to think "well if I’ve called him a “narcissist” and my ex a “narcissist” (who also called me toxic first, and who also had narcisssistic traits, but who did teach me the importance of loving myself), maybe I am the narcissist? So then I realised that in both cases, my reaction was just a reaction to their abuse - it was reactive abuse - and I am gaslighting myself and prolonging their abuse of me by believing that I’m the “toxic” one. I did a cursory Buzzfeed test earlier (I know, highly scientific!) and I got 0% toxic, yet still somehow I questioned it :roll_eyes:

Thankyou, I’m trying not to. I’m angry and I’m hurt, but I’ll be okay :people_hugging:

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Oh yeah, the bdsm scene can be a total shit-storm at times. I’ve always seen bdsm not just as a pain and power play thing but also as a trust thing and with that should come communication. Sometimes there’s a fine line between bdsm and abuse and it’s important to set those clear boundaries (but it can be difficult when the other party is horrible like Dave).

Also, I understand the frustration of wanting to have a relationship outside of just bdsm and sex; like communicating with you rather than just blocking you and hiding away from his problems. :roll_eyes:

Ugh, I really don’t like the sound of that Dave guy, I feel like (from what I’ve seen, which all be it isn’t loads) the majority of bdsm community is really nice but it’s those few that stand out and ruin it. From the few conversations I’ve had with you I can tell that you’re definitely not toxic, he’s just projecting and being immature. Please don’t let him get to you or make you doubt yourself <3

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Thankyou lovely, that means a lot right now.

The really sad and unfortunate thing is he’s a BDSM mentor just like I am and I used to hold him in high regard. Long story short, I got more successful than he did and I think he wanted to piggyback off of my success. Certainly I’ve just been reading up on being exploited in a relationship (because that’s what I felt was going on) and the award and the timing of things (the way things snowballed into him calling me “toxic”) would strongly suggest that even if I did love him, he, at least at first, maybe he was only trying to exploit me. Did he get in too deep or realise that I’d foiled his plan? I guess we’ll never know.

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@Tenshadesandme

Having heard you mention this before I’m sorry it continues to be a thorny issue. I genuinely believe you and your hubby are better without this influence in your dynamic.

And as @WaveyAlien has said

you have enough issues with rats in your life. I just hope you can choose to keep this one out of it for good.

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No need to apologise, you aren’t responsible for him. He’s responsible for himself.

Rest assured he, like the rats, won’t be permitted back in. I’m sad that my “friend” turned out to be like this but you can’t force people to be who you wish they would be, no matter how much you may want to.

Hope you okay Hun , never met the person in question but does not sound much like a Mentor to me sorry , easy to say just move on , block him , ignore him as non of us need toxicity in our lives , you deserve better , Keep smiling

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Thankyou lovely, it’s certainly not a way I conduct myself and if I make a mistake I a) apologise and b) look at how I can improve for next time, as long as one of my boundaries isn’t being violated. I’m not saying I was perfect in that relationship but I’ve already said “well maybe I could have improved here”, and taken sfeps to learn and grow, rather than blaming him for everything.

I did some reading on narcissism and narcissistic injury last night as well - it’s a social media buzzword that I’m personally not keen on, yet the way he has acted is classic of a narcissistic injury. To me, he’s acting like a child even if nothing else. Either way, it’s nice to see that I’m not the (bigger) problem, and I have some wonderful people here who do appreciate me and my time :blush:

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Hi @Tenshadesandme I am a little confused and if i am reading this right you may not like my comments. You said earlier that you had only met him twice? Everything else was via internet? You appear to have met no family or mother?
I would say therefore it was not a relationship. Anyone can be anyone they want on the internet and i’m sure there are many a bad person out there. I would say move on. You need to be very comfortable around them, their friend and family. Meet regularly for a good length of time.
How did he nominate you for an award, does he work with you? Sorry i am very confused.

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@steve19 no worries at all, I understand the confusion. We were friends and co-workers of sorts, albeit long distance, both blogging in the same niche (BDSM education). I’ve met his other partner and his Dad, but not his Mum.

Generally I would say I knew him pretty well; we’ve known one another for years and he’s always been consistent and helpful to me, hence i saw him as a good friend. That’s also why I was surprised by his romantic advances - he’d never shown any romantic interest to me until just after i’d broken up with someone else. To be honest, at one time I didn’t think he’d even be interested in me: a Dominant and a BDSM mentor? I thought he’d have the pick of the bunch!
Yes, I’ve come to recognise my worth since then :joy:

Regarding the lack of meeting up, one of the problems for us was healthcare. Dave has chronic renal failure and has to dialysise several times a week, so whatever we did would have to be around his ability to get treatment. With that being said, I live five minutes away from a hospital and was always ready and willing to help him sort out hotels/AirBnBs etc so he could be as close as possible to treatment. Hence my belief, “if he wanted to, he would”, he just didn’t really want to and he was only really stringing me along for the benefits that I brought (bigger following). Hence, probably, the attempted cheating too - his primary partner knew, but his secondary partner (me) wasn’t considered important enough to know. I strongly believe that I would have been blamed for my reaction, too, if it had gone through.

Regarding the award, as I say, we both write in the same niche. The award is the Sexual Freedom Award, which anyone can nominate someone who works in sexual wellness for. I’ve never seen myself as (nor wanted to be seen as) above my peers and as such I didn’t want the award. To me, we are all peers here and we all have an important job to do.

I hope that helps :slight_smile:

Thank you for clarifying things, I can understand the renal issues and it must be so difficult to plan anything. It does sound like he has been messing you about though and I hope you find what you are looking for. You deserve to be treated right. Merry Christmas. @Tenshadesandme

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Thankyou @steve19 , I’ll find someone who’ll treat me right and value my time yet. Merry Christmas to you too.

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Yikes sounds like he had a lot of issues mentally to work through and wasn’t on the same page as you was :face_with_spiral_eyes:

Reckon this outcome was for the best as now you don’t need to get tangled up in his dramas but reckon for him he may try to still keep prodding by sending messages to your husband to stir stuff up… id maybe recommend you ask him to block Dave too and cut the guy out completely so everyone can move on :grimacing:

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I did ask hubby to block him too. He didn’t immediately, hence Dave was able to message him and I did bend hubby’s ear a bit for not listening to my request on that one :joy:

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Haha!! He probably just wanted to see if he’d write to him so could report back to you :sweat_smile: men tend to be big gossipers for things more than women at times :rofl:

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They were in a “brotherhood” until they weren’t: that ended when he blocked my husband’s wife in an act of petty revenge, rather than cooperating with her :joy:

To be fair I got petty revenge of my own anyway: Dave is a member of Extinction Rebellion, so i just had a long, hot, definitely-not-green shower with Justin Timberlake’s “Cry Me A River” playing loud and on repeat in the background. You mad bro? :joy:

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Hahaha!! Excellent! :ok_hand:t3:

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@Tenshadesandme I was once told “If you are wondering if you are a narcissist, you’re not a narcissist.”

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Thankyou sweet, it’s crazy what these comments can make us believe though. I know he’s probably out there now playing the victim and acting like I’m the crazy one. Actually, I remember he said he hated that I “publicly executed” him on one of my blogs, despite him blogging about his own life, and me with it. Funny how he had no problem when I was singing his praises. but the second I have an issue with him, I’m the bad guy. if you don’t want us bloggers criticising you, you gotta treat us right :wink: