I agree with almost all comments on here but I do think there is small percentage that like the abusive side, not me of course, I once had ex who had want to be gagged tied then scarf tied around neck, and when I said no was to far, she asked if I could repeatedly punch her, this was straight away turn off and I never sa2 this ex again.
Each to there own but amature and solo porn only for me, and the odd fetish videos but no posed or fake videos.
I can't stop reading this thread. Like every single sexual thing about me has been condemned on here. There are loads of women who enjoy this kind of sex, if it's consented it's not rape, end of story. Porn is not made to teach kids about sex, again, it is a parents job to teach their children about real sex, porn is fantasy.
whats wrong with a woman wanting to be choked? Or to shave her pubic hair? Every time porn comes up in this forum I feel like shit. People judge so much because they think porn pushes one type of sex, so you attack that type of sex to attack porn and alienate everyone that does like that sex. Loads of women moan at just a simple touch, me included, why does that bother anyone? Some people like to moan, some don't. Some people like to be slapped and called names, some don't. If someone wants it what's the problem?
There is porn to cater for every single fantasy, even if it's just soft loving sex, but as I said, porn is fantasy, and it's more profitable to show people their fantasies. Just like you wouldn't go see a "realistic" romance film, those give girls the wrong impression of love and relationships. Because it's not real. It's fantasy. It takes one type of thing that most people want and shows it to you, it isn't made up, it happens in real life, just not as often as in films because women want to see a man who'll go to the end of the world for them, so it makes money.
Again, films are not education, it is not a film makers responsibility to make sure that the film they're making is educational for kids, especially when it's illegal for kids to watch it. If you want your kids to know what "real" (because apparently porn isn't real sex if it shows a fetish-because real people don't have fetishes,right?) sex is, tell them.
I don't think it's really fair to say anyone is judging people who do like porn in this thread. From what I am reading everyone is just sharing their views. That is the idea of these forums. There are also people saying porn works for them and they have no problem with it or the industry. I don't think anyone should be judgemental and would be the first to point out if anyone was attacking someone else for what they believed, but I really don't think anyone has been here.
I started the thread purely as a discussion point. Please don't feel offended in anyway. I was just genuinely interested in other peoples' perspective and thoughts and think most people have been pretty tasteful in their remarks and thoughts here.
As has been pointed out repeatedly, there are literally hundreds of kinds of porn. There's no reason not to be able to find something that you enjoy. Not that that makes the other stuff wrong; just wrong for you.
Personally, I think there is an undercurrent of misogyny to a lot of straight porn but that's my own perception of it and might well not be others'. I'm not particularly into what people might term the 'rough stuff' so I cringe a little when I see it. People who are into it might see the same scene and think it's hot as all hell. Neither of us is wrong.
The internet is a wonderful thing. It's really spoiled us porn-wise. And why not? That's what it's for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJvdGcb7Fs
Ah porn, I could write about this for days so will try not to waffle on.
When I was about 10 years old I was sat in my living room watching Robocop, a video of my dads that looked cool. I had just finished watching Murphy get the ever living crap blown out of him when my dad walked in not all too impressed with what I was doing and was very vocal about the fact. My mother hearing the ruckus intervened and an argument ensued over the fact that I shouldn't be watching such a violent film.
The tape continued to play in the background and ED209 unloads seemingly more bullets than were shot in the entirety of WW2 into an innocent guy. My dad pauses the film and asks me if I think it's appropriate to see this and my response was "Yeah, it's not real". My dad not pleased with the answer storms out and my mum sits with me for the rest of the film cursing my dad being a dick.
How does this relate to porn? Simply the suspension of disbelief. The first porn I ever saw was at age 13 I think and it was the Pammy and Tommy video and I still love that film to this day because of what it is, two people very much in love having fun together. The next porno I saw was some hardcore stuff that I can't remember the name of but was in comparison to the Pammy video an entirely different beast. But as with Robocop those years before easy to discern it's place in fantasy.
To me there is no difference between the latest Michael Bay "2 hours of explosions part 27" and "Anal Angels can take 12 inches with seemingly no lube 209" other than one contains explicit sexual material. Everything else is exactly the same ie set, normally a crap story, characters and in keeping with the bay comparison; EXPLOSIONS!. Most criticisms that can be thrown at "Manufactured" porn can also be done with regular movies, particularly the big budget action ones.
There are two types of porn, manufactured and amateur and then there is a plethora of subgenres to cater to just about everyones taste. And as is normal not everyone is going to agree because taste is subjective. But even those that swear by amateur porn as good and healthy I can point you to "Revenge Porn" and "Real Ex Girlfriends" porn which is amateur in nature but when put into context is to me reprehensible as these people most likely didn't give permission for their private stuff to be posted online for the world to see.
At this point someone is probably thinking "I don't watch that stuff" and to that I would answer "how do you know?". I don't think it is a large leap to say that most people here do not pay for their porn, relying largely on tube sites for a free fix as and when it is required. Tube sites are videos taken from everywhere and anywhere. I could go an find a video that I saw 10 years ago, re uploaded a week ago with a different title and description and that is all I have to go on as to the context of the video, someone elses description. Homemade? sure, love each other? probably, did they split up 3 years ago and he's uploaded it to spite her? No idea! I pay for several yearly or lifetime subscriptions to the larger porn companies out there. I know what I'm getting, I know where it comes from and I know the context in which a scene is taking place.
Is porn teaching our kids about sex badly? Yes it is. Is that porns fault? No it isn't. That is 100% a parental issue. There are porn companies that shoot with condoms as requirement, there are many many more that don't. That is their choice and they are catering to their respective demogrphics. Would it be cool if porn came with a disclaimer that said "these are paid actors, fuck responsibly", some already do but yeah it would be cool. But if you're getting your porn from tube sites are going to see it? Not likely. Kids may be getting their sex ed from porn which is creating an unrealistic standard but it is entirely the parents responsiblity to explain this. I'm actually looking forward to this conversation with my son and daughter.
Are there a tonne of horror stories about how the industry works, yeah but I tend to look at it like this. There are some horror stories, there are some great stories, read Asa Akira's Autobiography or any interview with Nina Hartley for some of those. Then there are the hundreds upon hundreds of other workers that don't give a story. Porn has been demonised since forever, it will always be demonised and as far as the media is concerned a good horror story sells. So I take a large portion with a big grain of salt.
I'm gonna stop here because I'm prattling and I could go on forever about body image which by the way most AVN winners tend to have pubic hair (funny that) and I could go on about how most of what you see appears to be violent etc but I don't have time right now to keep going.
Maybe more later.
Another reason why these arguments go on is because there are anti porn protesters who produce blogs like this one
https://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/
Most of the arguments I've heard against porn are this bad. Ironically I have about the tamest fetish ever. I have pressed the back button on some porn that doesn't feel right to me. That said I am and will very likely remain someone who gets enhanced sexual pleasure due to the porn that's available to me. I've never done any harm to anyone in the bedroom either for the record.
There is nothing wrong with consenting adults getting paid to work in porn, but there is also nothing wrong with choosing not to spend your money/feed that industry over concerns about why these people may have gotten into the industry, how they are treated, if they did actually give consent etc.
I also feel like porn does have an impact on society, and I don't think fetish porn should be readily available, not all kids/teenagers have loving parents to teach them about sex, and I think they are the responsibility of society as a whole. Young adults can also be very impressionable too.
Personally, I think rape porn should be illegal. Rape is just as illegal as beastiality/underage sex, and for a good reason! I don't think illegal acts should be portrayed in porn at all, whether real or staged. It's not like lesbian porn at all. Being a lesbian isn't illegal because both parties are able to, and do, give consent. Children and animals can't give consent, and an adult put in a rape situation is either too scared/intoxicated/gagged to consent, or actively refuses.
Depending on country, "pretend" underage, bestiality, and rape porn can be legal or illegal. It's just my opinion that they should be illegal because kids and teenagers watching it could get a very twisted view of the world. They may think the abuse they're receiving is ok, or they may be the abuser later in life. Like I said, not everyone has loving, or any, parents and society is just as responsible for children.
Something I feel much less strongly about is fetish porn. I like to be tied up, gagged, and spanked lightly. But I wouldn't like children to come across this by accident, so I do think there should be regulations around it.
As for hair or bare, I think this is a much wider media issue (as are some of the other points). Women should be allowed to have as much or as little hair as they want, but they do get judged for having a lot/sometimes any. I think people need to judge women less on their looks.
I've watched porn since god knows when (12+ i want to say?) and as quick answer to the question, NO I don't think porn is wrong.
Over the years I've heard bad stories about the porn industry and some good stories porn industry, as well hearing that porn is bad for X reason or another, and TBH there is more than just one way to look at it. Some people might look at porn from the outside and have these grand ideas of working in the industry but then it might not go how they expect and end up leaving them with a bad experience. On the other hand someone might jump into porn and they handle it in a different way which makes their experience go a lot better
Porn doesn't reflect what sex is actually like for kids and teenagers, but they should be taught how regular sex between two adults is different from what they will see in porn. Not only is protection key but what happens is not a true reflection on everyday sex. If you let kids get educated on sex via porn then of course it's going to be bad but as I said if they are taight properly then it can all be good
I now mainly browse a lot of softcore stuff, usually visiting sites that link to sample galleries from larger picture sets on porn sites and ocassionally I watch porn videos. I've found that softcore pictures and picture-sets are a lot more appealing to me now over hardcore stuff not that I would skip over it if I found anything harcore that I liked.
In the end, porn is not bad. It does have some bad parts and isn't a perfect representation of real life sex but for me I understand that so when i do watch porn I do it for the sexual plerasure I get out of it more than anything.
If someone's tied down is that rape? Or gagged? At what line would you draw between legal and not in porn? Obviously they're all consenting, it's not rape. At what what point would you say it was depicting rape? Rape is sex without consent, just because someone is tied down doesn't make it rape. Paedophilia on the other hand, has a clear line. If you don't want kids to see it don't Let them. It is no one's job but the parents to educate the children. Believing that it is societies job to educate children is the problem with society.
I personally don't think there is anything wrong with porn or watching it BUT my issue is certain portrayals. Things like school girls or the miss use of BDSM, a lot can be seedy and paints a picture to jo public that it's OK to be an abusive idiot. But if it is done right, porn can be amazing
ShinySparkle wrote:
I don't like the term rape. Especially in the terms of pornography or in a consensual relationship. I prefer to say forced sex, for me, rape is an illegal act. But that's my personal view on the word.
Well, this is what I mean. Forcible sex is just a fetish, and although I think it might need restrictions in porn to make sure children don't see it, its up to an adult if they want to watch it or not. I've never watched "rape" porn or much porn at all, so I don't know where the line is. But if its called rape porn then that might just be the problem itself.
Y&F, of course children are society's responsibility, thats why we have laws to protect them. Otherwise they'd be able to have sex, get drunk, get married etc all at their parents discretion. Its also why we have school's to teach them and social services to help them.
Young and fun95 wrote:
It is no one's job but the parents to educate the children.Believing that it is societies job to educate children is the problem with society.
Exactly. I'm no parent yet but i'm of the opinion that parents should be doing more to edcuate their kids and take an active role in what they do on the onlie capable device they own.
Too easy for them to assume someone else will do it for them or for them to assume their kids are good and won't do anything.
Yes, its the parents responsibilty, but that doesn't mean its no one elses. Children are a part of society that are more vulnerable than adults, and like animals etc there are extra laws to protect them. As well, not all children have parents that care or parents at all, so is it just their tough luck?
In ROI any porn that depicts (real or fake) illegal acts is illegal. Rape (real or fake) porn is illegal here, and in Scotland, and is being discussed as to whether or not it should be illegal in the rest of the UK. In the UK you will also have to unblock your internet if you want to watch porn starting in 2015 I believe? This is because the government and society have concerns over how readily available it is to children amoung other things.
no one should be shamed for their kinks, aslong as it stays a fetish and doesn't hurt anyone
ShinySparkle wrote:
I don't like the term rape. Especially in the terms of pornography or in a consensual relationship. I prefer to say forced sex, for me, rape is an illegal act. But that's my personal view on the word.
I agree, I like that
Young and fun95 wrote:
ShinySparkle wrote:
I don't like the term rape. Especially in the terms of pornography or in a consensual relationship. I prefer to say forced sex, for me, rape is an illegal act. But that's my personal view on the word.
I agree, I like that
I think changing this word irons out a lot (or at least some) of our disagreement 
LibraLover wrote:
Yes, its the parents responsibilty, but that doesn't mean its no one elses. Children are a part of society that are more vulnerable than adults, and like animals etc there are extra laws to protect them. As well, not all children have parents that care or parents at all, so is it just their tough luck?
Yeah I agree that they should be protected from things but they won't be children forever and you can't just hide things from them and it's parents responsibility to teach their children what things mean rather than never having the talk then kicking off because school didn't teach them everything. It is not a film makers responsibility to educate children on sex. They make films for adults to enjoy that is all.
how do you say it depicts rape though? If it's a consenting adult it's not rape.
I agree that its the parents responsibility, and I agree that its not the film makers as long as they're not doing anything illegal. But it is the government's (voted in by society) responsibility to decide what should and shouldn't be legal. I think that porn depicting real or fake illegal acts should be illegal, and it is in my country.
Like I said, I've never watched rape porn. I don't know where the Irish government draws the line and decides something is depicting staged rape and is therefore illegal. I presume where it is staged rape, it is made to look like rape, through the title/description/script etc. Staged paedophilia is made to look real, with one or more actors that look underage although they're not, and the viewers are made to think they are through title/description/script. I have no idea how one would stage beastiality...special effects most probably. I presume that without asking those involved, there is no way of telling if they are real or fake.
Just to be clear, I don't care what porn anyone watches, its the negative side effects that bother me
Paedaphillia and beastiality are easy, although a 19yo girl that looks 15 is a difficult situation. But as just said, rape and forced sex are similar yet miles apart, we play with both, we've done rape play before, I don't see it anything wrong tbh, I wouldn't enjoy being raped, and he would never rape anyone, it's like the feeling of being totally voulnerability and taken advantage of but knowing you're totally safe and adored. Also the reason I love being choked, I hate things round my neck usually but I like feeling in danger yet totally safe at the same time. It's a fetish people have so shouldn't be condemned because it's not bad. But parents need to teach children what is happening, why those people are doing that, when you can do it, when you can't do it. Kids don't know what sex is, they have urges and their parents are too embarresed to explain what those urges are, that's where the problems are, sex is too varied for schools to teach them, it should be one on one with someone who knows them teaching about their own feelings.
You have to be over 18 to watch porn, to me that's good enough, if a parent won't enforce that it's their choice, just like drinking alcohol, or smoking, or driving, or horror films. There are guidelines set by the government which are enforced as best they can, but parents get round them. What exactly is meant to happen? Stop putting alcohol in alcohol incase a parent lets their kid drink it, shop making horrors scary incase a parent lets their kid watch it? No.
I have watched it in the past and i dont have a massive problem with it but i do think it gives men and women a unrealistic view on how sex should be.For eg.
My oh expects me to be gushing every where like pornstars =/ and Men should be arrgesive and dominant all the time.