Wine buying advice for a non wine drinker.

Got a friend's birthday party coming up and I know she likes red wine. I have zero clue about wine. I know there's red and white varieties, and that's about it.

I need something above the bottom tier, the cheap and cheerful range you might grab every friday evening for the weekend, but obviously not anything too extravegant that belongs in a cold cellar with a hundred pound price tag.

Somewhere in the middle that says I didn't just pick up the first thing you see on the 50% off stand. What price range should I look at? £20-£30? I really have no idea.

Hi Eager-2-Please,

You can get something really good for around the £15 - £20 mark (unless you are after something really special). Perhaps try a Spanish Gran Reserva Rioja, particularly if you're eating a meat or hearty dish, otherwise a New Zealand Pinot Noir at around that price point shouldn't go far wrong and will be a bit lighter but can be more interesting.

Good luck and hope that helps!

Thanks, Leo. I'll make sure to have those names with me as I'm browsing the wine aisle. As far as eating with is, she's more of a party girl drinker than a posh meal girl, if that matters at all... seriously I have no clue if there are wines more suited to eating a meal vs. purely drinking them while out, etc. I'm guessing a nice wine is a nice wine no matter how you enjoy it.

If you go into a wine shop they can offer loads of advice, and then you can at least explain to your friend whats special about the wine and why you chose it.

Wine is quite an individual taste. I like catena malbecs on the mellower/creamier side and chateau musar on the spicier side. Unless you know what she likes it's hard to choose but if you can tell her why you chose it im sure shell hugely appreciate the effort.

Thanks, Sam. I'll try and quiz a mutual friend or two on her tastes.

I second SubbySams comment - wine is very individual but if you have made the effort trying to get something nice and asking for help in a wine shop/having a bit of a story about why you chose that bottle, I’m sure she will appreciate that more. A lot of the time, it’s more about the moment than how expensive the bottle of wine is you’re drinking.

Enjoy!

Hi Eager 2 please as others have said there are many lovely wines out there even in a supermarket. You can play it safe with a good Chillian merlot or Malbec. I would advise to stay save unless you know your friends preferences. Hope this helps

Thanks guys, I'll add all your suggestions to my notes.

Go on John Lewis they have lovely red wine gift sets there I got 1 for Xmas 2 red wines in a wooden box for around £35 and they were lovely. Red wine is best served at room temp. If in fought go to your local wine store there still loads around, and ask them. Red wine for me I like anything from a cheap £4 bottle to A £50 bottle.

I'm a bit biased, but I think our Central Otago Pinot Noir's are hard to beat, not sure what is available in UK, but Mt Difficulty is particulaly stunning, is around $40nz in the shops here but there are a whole heap at NZ $20 that are really good (for regions, Central Otago is best, followed by Martinborough / Wairarapa for Pinot Noir).

For reds, I'd typically recommend Australian red wine (Wolf Blass, Penfolds, Taylors Estate or others from Hunter Valley), their Shiraz (quite spicey / peppery) or Cabernet Sauvignon can be really good for not a lot of $ (NZ $20 gets a good quality wine).

For white, Sauvignon Blanc, there is a brand that Graham Norton drinks, Envivo I think it is, its quite good and pretty cheap

Seriously, is decent wine THAT expensive in the UK? I think I'm splashing out if the price approaches € 5...

"...I have no clue if there are wines more suited to eating a meal vs. purely drinking them while out, etc. I'm guessing a nice wine is a nice wine no matter how you enjoy it."

Yes, eating something with a wine can make a HUGE difference to how it will taste, and not every wine will go with every dish. That's why some people make wine their lifetime hobby and get quite passionate about it. But as that's not your aim, I'd propose you either find a specialist wine shop with a nice salesperson and ask them for advice. In a perfect world you could even try before you buy.

And of course finding out your friend's preferences would be a huge help...

Talia wrote:

Seriously, is decent wine THAT expensive in the UK? I think I'm splashing out if the price approaches € 5...

"...I have no clue if there are wines more suited to eating a meal vs. purely drinking them while out, etc. I'm guessing a nice wine is a nice wine no matter how you enjoy it."

Yes, eating something with a wine can make a HUGE difference to how it will taste, and not every wine will go with every dish. That's why some people make wine their lifetime hobby and get quite passionate about it. But as that's not your aim, I'd propose you either find a specialist wine shop with a nice salesperson and ask them for advice. In a perfect world you could even try before you buy.

And of course finding out your friend's preferences would be a huge help...

Hi Talia

Yes it is. A large proportion is tax which applies to all alcoholic drinks in the UK .

As your country is France and is a wine producing country , decent wine ( you send all the rubbish over here ! ) you keep in your country and  will be much cheaper than here .

As regards the original request , its all about taste. Personaly I like a nice rounded Merlot or a very good Shiraz produced by Australia. Yellow Tail around £7.00 a bottle is one of my favourites.

mysteron wrote:

Talia wrote:

Seriously, is decent wine THAT expensive in the UK? I think I'm splashing out if the price approaches € 5...

"...I have no clue if there are wines more suited to eating a meal vs. purely drinking them while out, etc. I'm guessing a nice wine is a nice wine no matter how you enjoy it."

Yes, eating something with a wine can make a HUGE difference to how it will taste, and not every wine will go with every dish. That's why some people make wine their lifetime hobby and get quite passionate about it. But as that's not your aim, I'd propose you either find a specialist wine shop with a nice salesperson and ask them for advice. In a perfect world you could even try before you buy.

And of course finding out your friend's preferences would be a huge help...

Hi Talia

Yes it is. A large proportion is tax which applies to all alcoholic drinks in the UK .

As your country is France and is a wine producing country , decent wine ( you send all the rubbish over here ! ) you keep in your country and will be much cheaper than here .

As regards the original request , its all about taste. Personaly I like a nice rounded Merlot or a very good Shiraz produced by Australia. Yellow Tail around £7.00 a bottle is one of my favourites.

Good choice Mysteron,though we do favour a Barossa Valley Shiraz.

You can always go with a nice red blend if she drinks reds as it is neutral choice and universally enjoyed.

Eager-2-Please, wine is pretty personal. I'm very in to wine, at my "worst" I had over 1800 bottles, needless to say i was a little shocked when I was counting them up and have stopped buying now and focussing on drinking ! All the suggestions you have been given are very good. Wine can range in price from £5 to over £100 and for French bordeaux or burgundy or Californian cab savs you can pay silly money for a bottle; I mean £1000 per bottle silly ! I canot afford that price tag, but I've tasted many wines over many years. Depending on what you want to spend here are a few suggestions, but only you will know what your friend is likely to like.

Pinot Noir is one of my favourite grapes and different from the usual buys and has an interesting flavour that is quite unique. At £10-£20 you can get an excellent NZ pinot noir, the NZ wine producers are generally all quality driven. At £20-£30 you can pay for a top-notch NZ pinot noir and Mt Difficulty is one of my favourites, but there are others such as Roaring Meg, or the old fall back of Cloudy Bay, but they are more well known for their white sav blanc; again any NZ pinot noir in this price bracket will be pretty guarenteed to be excellent.

If you want to stick to pinot noir, but from France and burgundy then the price is a little higher and you will pay from £20-£50. There are many "sections" to burgundy and you would be best to go in to a wine shop to purchase this and ask. Burgundy is my all time favourite and I like the more "etheral" styles like Chambolle-Musigny, but I also like Vosnee and a range of others; I also tend to favour certain producers as you build up confidence in them.

All pinot noirs are easy to drink on their own or with food.

Spanish red is always a good buy and they do all the "cellering" for you. Rioja is only released when it's mature and ready to drink; the Spanish wine controls dictate what is required and the subsequent naming. You can get a decent Rioja from £20-£40. You need to look for some additional words on the bottle. Crianza is the youngest aged Rioja and is ligther in style and drier, personally I prefer this. Next is Reserva which has had more ageing in Oak barrels and the vanilla and richness is starting to show more. Gran Reserve is aged further and so more vanilla and oaky again. They are all generally very smooth, easy to drink on their own or with food.

If we are talking big bold wines based around Shiraz/Syrah grape then you can get some great wines both old and new world in the £20-£50 price range. Australia does excellent Shiraz and the more artisanal wines are drier and, in my mind, better wines. D'Arrenburg is a great producer as is Lehman, Two Hands, the list is pretty long. Again you can be pretty certain of the quality regardless of the winery. Australian Shiraz is very fruit driven and rich and bold and for some "too much" to drink on it's own, but goes great with red meats. The alternative is to go for a French Rhone red although these are usually blends of different grapes, they often have Syrah (Shiraz) as a key component. Any Chateau Neuf du Pape would be rich, heavy, fruit driven, but much drier than the Australian "equivalent"; again better to drink with food. There are a number of Chateau, the best being Beaucastel, but Sixtine and Clos du Pape are also very good as well as a range of others.

There are many other wines, grapes and regions in the world, but those above should give you a good selection depending on what wine your friend likes.

Good luck and I'm sure she will enjoy the wine you finally chose.

By goes with food I mean the following as a guide:

Pinot noir goes well with lamb, pork, veal, chicken, duck, goose, turkey....., but I tend to prefer to drink on it's own.

Rioja goes well with the above, but you can also bring in beef and hard cheeses. The Spanish often serve red wine with tapas of manchego or similar cheese.

Shiraz/Syrah perfers "darker" meats such as beef, but is also good with lamb, the classic Aussy thing to do is have a great BBQ served with a bold Shiraz; when the sun is shining it's hard to beat. Hard cheeses again go well with these wines, but don't be tempted to serve them with a cheese board as soft and blue cheeses do "mess" with the flavours of the wine, and the cheese for that matter !

When we got married we received a lot of wine and champagne. One had the price tag still on it... £54! It was horrid and I felt so bad. Wine can be such a person thing, me I like cheap under £5 a bottle wines. My inlaws screw their face up at me as they drink their £20 a bottle at the weekends. I can't stand it. Maybe if you're a bit of a detective you can find out their favourite, it could be they like the German supermarkets £1.49 a bottle

M&S have their Dine In For Two for £10 with a free bottle of wine, believe me they have red, white and rose and a good selection of each.It`s M&S, they don`t sell shite! Plus you get a free meal for two!

Hey guys and gals, thanks again for all your fab input. After some investigating I've learned that she's cutting back on the wine for calorie purposes and now tends to drink gin on a night out. Raspberry flavour is her favourite so I think a bottle of that will go down nicely, and she'll know I went to the effort of finding out what her current favourite preference of drink is.

Chin-chin!

Onlyones wrote:

mysteron wrote:

Talia wrote:

Seriously, is decent wine THAT expensive in the UK? I think I'm splashing out if the price approaches € 5...

"...I have no clue if there are wines more suited to eating a meal vs. purely drinking them while out, etc. I'm guessing a nice wine is a nice wine no matter how you enjoy it."

Yes, eating something with a wine can make a HUGE difference to how it will taste, and not every wine will go with every dish. That's why some people make wine their lifetime hobby and get quite passionate about it. But as that's not your aim, I'd propose you either find a specialist wine shop with a nice salesperson and ask them for advice. In a perfect world you could even try before you buy.

And of course finding out your friend's preferences would be a huge help...

Hi Talia

Yes it is. A large proportion is tax which applies to all alcoholic drinks in the UK .

As your country is France and is a wine producing country , decent wine ( you send all the rubbish over here ! ) you keep in your country and will be much cheaper than here .

As regards the original request , its all about taste. Personaly I like a nice rounded Merlot or a very good Shiraz produced by Australia. Yellow Tail around £7.00 a bottle is one of my favourites.

Good choice Mysteron,though we do favour a Barossa Valley Shiraz.

Thanks for the recommendation. I may track a bottle of that Shiraz down.