Kegels in foreplay

[mrssaffa]

Vagina-owners -
Perhaps this is a silly/obvious question, but do any of you use Kegels during foreplay (without balls/weight) to increase level and speed of arousal?
I know that doing them regularly as part of exercise routine is meant to help in all manner of ways and do them often for this reason but I mean more actively doing squeezes there and then during foreplay to speed up arousal physically.

I can be a slow starter, my body sometimes takes a bit longer to be aroused out of everyday stress. We have lots of tricks we love and use already, I wondered if anyone else did this or have any other tricks they use I may not have considered?
I love foreplay itself don’t get me wrong I’m just curious

[steviefun]

my muscles need some work (looking forward to my kegel balls arriving), but I do find if I squeeze my muscles during initial kissing and clitoral play that it does seem to speed up the arrival of the good slippery lubrication that then makes everything else feel so good. It also seems to flex my clit, a bit like helping it stand to attention. (And of course squeezing during PIV always is popular with hubby!)

[mrssaffa]

Oh cool! Glad it’s a thing, I was like it feels like it should work due to the increase blood flow but I get distracted and haven’t actually tried it yet!

[JoCat]

I don’t intentionally, but I have responsive desire which hits me like a bus and makes me very clenchy. (Look up spontaneous vs responsive desire) I’m always soaked by the time he touches my clit or vulva because my brain is massively turned on.

I’ve never noticed that the clenching makes me wetter or more aroused. I feel like in this ‘chicken or the egg’ scenario, I’m aroused which makes me clench.

You might need foreplay for your foreplay - like a foot rub, talking about whats in your head, your husband taking some of your load off you, running his fingers through your hair and massaging your scalp.
But I’m not going to teach you to suck eggs, if it works for you then do it

[mrssaffa]

You make a good point! Maybe next time during foreplay I should start thinking of mathematical equations and clench and see if I still respond
The foreplay is great, I’m just a stress head so that’s good advice about foreplay for your foreplay thank you! It does help - and I also see it like he’s always bringing home yummy drinks or snacks and does a lot around the house to help so that actually helps me in this area too. That old saying where it’s like foreplay starts with the dishes if I’m pissed off at him for whatever reason it would take me 3-5 business days of straight foreplay to get wet

[Anony]

Edit; I have no idea why it formatted into bold super obnoxiously large print randomly down the post, it doesn’t show that in my edit post window and it’s not typed that way so I apologize.

@mrssaffa

I may not be a vagina owner but, you may find this relevant anyway.

Typically speaking, and certainly in both mine and my GFs case. Kegel strength increases orgasmic power and much more.

As an example, (Insert yay you get to brag here in an unrelated thread comments here, but continue reading to see how it applies to Vaginal owners anyway please).

I’ve always exercised my Kegel muscles as a person born with a penis. That practice from a very early age lead me to being able to control orgasms, self deny, know when to “clench” to cause an orgasm, how to orgasm with out ejaculation, But also…most importantly (to me), made me multi orgasmic as a penis wielding individual before I was past my mid 20s. A lot of my vaginal wielding counterparts really loved this too though, if you get my drift.

This was long before I ever had a “prostate massager” Aneros like toy. LoveHoney both sells Aneros toys and makes their own version, btw. Nothing has lead me to conclude that LoveHoneys version(s) are any less superior. Just note that the design of all of these toys lines have various shapes/attributes for the various reasons they do. It may look like you wouldn’t need more than one from a company’s product line, but once “initiated,” you’ll begin to realize how such subtle differences can cause such drastically different results.

These “prostate massager” devices, which in brief terms rely more on using Kegels to control the toy’s placement and internal movement, are a hands free massager (either with or without vibration.)

When I finally decided to try one, they were what made me realize my Kegel/PC Muscle Control was the reason I was multi-orgasmic long before having a “prostate massager.” It just was made blatantly clear that was the case when I tried my first Aneros like toy and after a few uses had my first hands free prostate orgasm with no vibration or other stimulation.

Essentially, My Kegel strength was basically stimulating my prostate (varying on position.)

(Thank god, maybe this is where the brag stops and vaginal owners relevant comments come in?

Great non-Vaginal owner who’s posting anyway and why should I care, you might be thinking?

Or Why does this matter since this tool who’s posting as a non vaginal owner and appears to be telling me about the importance of Kegels for a prostate reason instead?

Didn’t they read the beginning of the post “Vaginal Owners:”?

Maybe they simply can’t read?)

Are all relevant and valid questions anyone could reasonably expect to have thought at any point.

(Yay, so what. You asked for Vagina owners responses, am I ever going to get to the point of relevance if the rest seemed irrelevant to you?)

Queue Joker, (Heath Ledgers voice), “Here. We. Go.”

Well. My GF is a vagina owner and I’ve bought her, her own “prostate massager” for vaginal use. And eventually when she understood the implications, one for anal use as they are outstanding for anal nerve sensitivity training (at her request).

(Why would I do such a crazy thing and think it would matter for her vagina?)

I wasn’t sure it would work, but due to the almost exact same positioning of the G-Spot and the prostate in their applicable points of entry?

Well. Turns out my “hunch,” had some
validity. Let’s just say it’s the easiest way I’ve ever convinced any of all the women in my past who were dead certain they couldn’t squirt, to squirt. (With absolutely zero stimulation from me, which is the actual significance of that comment.)

(Gah, I thought they said the self-brag was over with. “Sigh.”)

(Maybe you don’t care about squirting? Neither did she. So how does this benefit you as a vaginal owner?)

Due to the “slip out, clench on it to keep it in and retract it,” nature of these types of toys. Whether used in a woman’s vagina, for anal sensitivity training on a woman, or on a Prostate Wielder.

All 3 variations make Kegel Training an automatic reflex after you’re accustomed to them and how they are literally meant to be hands free regardless of where they are inserted. I would just make sure to have separate ones for vaginal/anal per person for that extra level of safety.

My GF never truly understood the importance of Kegels and always forgot to do them. This went on for a long period, after I emphasized the importance of that muscles strength for her own benefit (from a Vaginal insertion point of view.)

So. I got her a “prostate massager.” Had her use it in bed one night, vaginally. She almost immediately (after acclimation) realized the difference and importance.

So. When it became an automatic process for her to without concentration, and had learned to “keep it in,” when most are specifically reliant on the “sliding out, uh oh, clench to retain,” method of hands free control…(Kegel/PC Muscle “control.)

I surprised her the morning after she had used it a few times and understood the concept.

We were just waking up, I ever so gently slipped it in her Vagina. Then I woke her up by whispering in her ear while holding her, (like usual.)

This time though, I whispered in her ear, something very much along the line of “You’re going to work today with no panties and…You’re going to be really embarrassed if something falls out.”

(Jesus isn’t this person posting this done with their auto-erotic book of self congratulation yet?)

Later that day, around her lunch break, she texted me and said she was so horny/wet she felt like she was going to squirt just standing there doing her job. She didn’t squirt there thankfully.

But she did learn the importance of Kegel control for all things over time.

1. Orgasmic strength.

2. Multiple orgasms with ease due to Kegel Strength and control. (We had long since gotten her to the multi orgasmic state to be clear. She just said, and it was obvious how much easier it was to accomplish.)

3. How she could directly squeeze at the right moment so hard it almost made me Cum from PIV sex.

4. How to squirt with ease.

5. How it influenced her urinary incontinence fear/issue after childbirth of two very large babies as a pretty small framed woman.

6. How horny Kegel exercises both with and without an object inserted made her. Though the “without massager inserted,” method did take a little longer to achieve the same effect/potency level. (For both her and I, I just had an almost 20 year experience level head start since I started doing this right around 14’ish, with no sex toy to be clear.)

7. Perhaps most importantly.
   She never had to concentrate on doing Kegels again afterwards, because of the hands free Kegel Control method of those “prostate massager toys.”
   Which makes that process become automatic and thoughtless, once you’ve learned how to control them very well.
   This does take everyone a different period of time from everything I’ve read from any thing I can find anywhere that specializes in these “hands free non vibrating prostate massager toys.”

Some of these sources are Medical Doctors, some are Sexual Health and Wellness specialists, some are Doctors of Neurology. Most though, are average users like me and anyone else who has taken the chance to explore their body in a “different way.”

8. Which ultimately means you can learn to trigger that involuntary (quiver of the Kegel Muscle that causes hands free orgasms, for Vaginal or Penis wielders), Anywhere. Anytime. And with diligence, can even learn to do that with nothing inserted (and for penis wielders, without ejaculation).

If you doubt the validity of number 8. Do your own research and you’ll see I’m not the only person saying this. Most will be “prostate wielders,” But some of them are women who’ve done it anally or vaginally, or both.

Having said all of that from both a “penis owner,” and their Girlfriends “vaginal owner experience/results,” maybe you’ll forgive me for responding to this thread as a “non Vaginal owner.”

If you don’t. Then, I apologize.

(Maybe I get an E for effort at the self mockery and attempt at humor to try to keep you engaged and reading, so someone out there can try something they consider irrelevant and see if it actually is ?)

[JoCat]

Your inner monologue and mine had the same thoughts through that

[Anony]

@JoCat

Thanks. I try to “know my audience,” and make fun of myself at the same time in all areas of life.

It’s kind of hard to read sarcasm/intent or apply a sense of personality in the technical writing style I have been “blessed with” ever since graduating as an English Lit Major and immediately contracting out to O-Desk where almost all writing gigs were technical gigs.

It’s a now lifelong bad habit…along with the blatant propensity for “over” verbosity.

Well. That and the inane laws regarding fiduciary capacity financial consultant related stuff I did afterwards.

Have to have every base covered and (and keep copies of client acknowledgement that every tedious detail was disclosed and understood for 10 years.)

Or run the risk of being sued for anywhere between 1-5 million dollars at the max range per occurrence.

Hard habit to break.

Best part? Even this sounded self congratulatory. But I was being serious.

#cantwinforlosing
#nomatterhowharditry

[mrssaffa]

@Anony
Forget the E! An A for effort!

That was incredibly insightful, and I do appreciate it, I’m absolutely going to look in to those toys and also try and get the OH on board because it sounds like a practice that has done you very well.
You definitely answered my question and more! Off I skip to shop….

[Anony]

Yay. Thank you. I was hoping it would have that effect and not be seen as a “douchy” post to brag on myself.

Cheers to you.

Let us know how your experience goes if you’re comfortable doing so and if you have any questions you think I might be able to answer (without breaking forum rules obviously), I’ll do my best and I’m sure everyone else will be willing to as well.

[666S]

Is kegel muscle apply to male? If yes what’s benefit of exercise for man ? Anyone try it?

[Anony]

@666S
Yes. I wrote a rather long and overly detailed post above (as a person born as male), about the benefits that apply to both individuals born as male and those born as female.

I wrote the entire post from both my (born as male,) and my girlfriend’s (born as female)’s experience.

The numbered list section of what applies to a person born as female is equally true of those born as male with the one potential “exception” being squirting.

I say potential exception because “men” don’t have a Skene’s gland and “women”don’t have a Prostate but have a Skene’s gland instead which is sometimes referred to as the “The Female Prostate.” In both cases they (Prostate and Skene’s Gland) each respectively release prostatic fluid.

Wiki link to Skene’s gland referred to as “Female Prostate.”

If you scroll down to the second paragraph you’ll see the references to “The Female Prostate” and their linked sources.

If you’re not into reading an entire wiki page and the associated links I’ll summarize.

Those born as male can have prostate orgasms (from prostate stimulation) and those born as female can squirt (from G-Spot stimulation) and eventually many other types of stimulation.

The various differences between squirting and prostate orgasms are both vast and yet still similar in many ways. (Which is way too long to summarize here, and I don’t want to steer the thread away from @mrssaffa ’s topic post.)

If you want to find out more, they’re both linked at various points in that wiki link in this comment.

[steviefun]

stops you smelling like pee and being incontinent in old age, beside the great sex stuff

[666S]

hah I’m not hit the point of become smelly c…… just wander if can improve anything in bedroom.