I wish you the very best @MsSubExperimenter, take care 
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@MsSubExperimenter yes we have to protect our loved ones and ourselves to right you do the right thing hun 
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Yeah thank you 
my 1st jab it made me so tired and a bit of a headache, the 2nd one I had no symptoms
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Youāre welcome @Dirty-Wife
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Iām not a firm believer of whether itās as bad as weāre told but having said that I know people who have been seriously ill from it! I believe itās a legitimate virus though and although Iām not a fan of having the vaccine I will be having it! I like going abroad and I do really enjoy the pub after work on a Friday/Saturday so if itās going to stop me doing a few things I enjoy not having it then Iāll take it!
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Thank you - I opted for āYesā after posing earlier as without my medical mishap meaning I probably canāt have the 2nd jab Iād choose the āYesā camp 
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I worked through the height of the first wave of the pandemic in England, assisting with food provision for the needy without any PPE, at much less than 2m, in contact with over 100 people per day. Since it became compulsory we have worn face masks but the nature of the work means it is impossible to keep 2m apart. If long term tests say the vaccine is safe then a longer term test says I am immune, despite being in the most vulnerable age/sex category. As a tester by trade, I know that by simple linear time limitations, the various covid vaccines havenāt been shown to be safe. Thalidomide was safe around the time I was born. Look it up if you are too young to know. I am so glad my mum didnāt take it for morning sickness. My sister was ill for days after taking the covid vaccine. My mumās arm is still numb. The risk of suffering a blood clot and death is low, but it is happening - and it is fatal! At the risk of alienating most of the forum, why would I risk taking the Covid vaccine?
Some people who have caught Covid of the past year have been sadly serving in jobs that exposed them but the vast majority must have been flouting the rules for scientific prevention of Covidā¦
ā¦ or the science has been wrong, 100,000 times
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I agree with pretty much all of that! I was off work for the first 2 weeks of the first lock down and have worked ever since! As Iām a builder Iāve been in snd out of peoples homes and Iāve got to say that around 90% of people, old, young whatever havenāt asked me to wear a mask and really Iām not bothered about wearing one unless I have too! Shops etc! Iāve not contracted the virus snd I honestly believe I wonāt either as Iām relatively fit and healthy! And I believe if I got it Iām strong enough to fight it! But with things like this Iām one of those who will go with the flow so to speak 
Iāve only just been invited to get the vaccine and have had mixed reports on it! I know itās me being a bit hypocritical but Iām willing to have it but I wouldnāt let my kids have it! How old are you if you donāt mind me asking? 
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Old enough to have been born when Thalidomide was scientifically āsafeā
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Iām early 40ās! Donāt think Iām high risk at all! Sorry about the age question 
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Reading this makes me so sad.
This is not the place to go into detail but all the people who are unsure about this whole thing so are just āgoing with the flowā are allowing us to continue to be controlled, by going along with it.
We are being scared into doing this. By being told that we wonāt be able to do this and we wonāt be able to do that if we donāt have it.
People are putting this into their bodies just because they have been told to, without even questioning itās real need and safety.
Itās the same as the whole mask situation.
So many people are wearing them, even though they donāt really want to - just because they feel like they donāt have a choice. But actually, we do.
What will happen in a couple of years when we figure out all the damage that has been unnecessarily caused by wearing masks for hours on end and taking covid vaccinations without even questioning it.
@SteelA1 out of curiosity - what is the reason you wouldnāt let your kids have the vaccination?
If you think itās not safe for them, do you think itās safe for yourself?
Also:
You donāt HAVE to - just say youāre exempt, and carry on with your day.
How sad is it that we walk down the street and donāt even get to see peoples faces, or smiles anymore.
And everyone thinks theyāre doing great because they are following some ārulesā that donāt actually make any sense.
Iām sorry for the rant - I just wish that everyone knew their rights and did their own research before taking huge risks with their health, thinking they are doing good because they have been fooled.
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@Cupc8kes ive no doubt prolonged wearing of masks is bad for you! My Mrs pretty much has one on all day at work! I literally wear one when I nip in a shop and really thatās me just being considerate to others! My reason for my kids not having it is theyāre young and healthy and think they really donāt need this in their bodyās! I think kids should be rolling round in the mud and building up their immune systems naturally! Iām not big on conspiracy theoryās and have my own view on things which I normally keep to myself! I donāt read much about all this virus to be honest as I donāt into government things either! Iām happy plodding on with my own beliefs but do feel it necessary to just go with the flow now and then! Iām a serious overthinker and that is why I rarely look into things like this! Maybe Iām right maybe Iām wrong I donāt know I do believe though that the people donāt really have a say in very much that goes on! I just like an easy life
But in saying that I do do pretty much what I want! If I didnāt want to do something no one could persuade me otherwise! A little contradicting I know but
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@SteelA1 when this all started at the beginning of last year, I was actually concerned about the health of my loved ones or vulnerable people.
But as time went on, I realised more and more that the stuff we ate being fed - doesnāt add up.
So if thereās lies and things being covered up, I just feel that I canāt trust any of it.
I do believe that this virus is a type of flu, and just like any other flu - it has the potential to be fatal to certain/vulnerable people.
But we have all lived with the flu virus for many, many years - and the population is still thriving.
So why do we suddenly need to start being controlled.
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@Cupc8kes im a believer in it being similar to just a flu myself! I know people who have the flu jab every year snd are sick as a dog from it and others who arenāt affected at all! Iāve been offered it every year since I can remember as I have asthma but have never had it and never suffered with flu! Iād sooner fight it naturally if I got it! About the asthma too I had inhalers since about the age of 16 and always seemed to need them as I suffered terribly until about 5 years ago when I just stopped taking them! Iāve never felt like I needed them since I know I say one thing then contradict it with something else but thatās just the way I am I just try not to read into certain things too much or I find my mind wanders and I get myself all worked up 
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I find what some people are saying to be really sad. You arenāt being controlled. If you want to see why this isnāt like flu, just look at Brazil. A lot of the things said above that people ābelieveā are just wrong, and very dangerous. Sorry, but it is. I donāt want an argument, and I know Iām not going to change your minds, but I really felt it needed saying for anybody else that is reading this. My degree is in human biology, and Iāve been reading all the science about this (not what the papers say, but the actual peer reviewed science). We could actually eradicate this completely, like smallpox, if everyone took the vaccine. That is better than having people die each year like with flu, surely?
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Sorry been asleep, like @KinkyMira I also find reading the above very sad. I know 2 people who have died from Covid, one was elderly, the other was in his 50s with no underlying health conditions.
I have also been working full time throughout though certainly not front line and other than the inability to see my parents my life barely changed until I had a had reaction to the jab which I think made me one of the very lucky ones. Many peopleās lives have been devastated by lock down but Covid is not the flu and if it can be wiped out with a vaccine like Smallpox why would you not have it?
The chances of getting blood clots are much higher from taking a combined hormonal contraceptive than from having the Covid jab yet woman are happy with that because theyād rather risk a small chance of blood clots than a high risk of getting pregnant so can see the clear advantage. How can the same not be said for the much smaller chances with the vaccine?
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Iām also for getting the vaccine. Although thereās all the chat about side effects (and Iāve seen how bad they are witnessing others), Iām still for getting it. If itās going to get us back to normality faster, then Iām all for it.
@Goth_Girl Omg this is EXACTLY the words I was told, also back in January 20ā. I took myself to the doctors as I had open sores in my mouth, a rash covering my legs, shortness of breath and basically feeling like something was reaaaaally wrong. I was then blue lighted for potential meningitis. When I got there, I was told it was unlikely meningitis, but a āvirusā. I was off for 2 weeks and took me about 4/5 months to feel vaguely normal again. If that was covid, I never wish to feel like that again.
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Iāve written and deleted a few posts because confrontation is not my thing, but I canāt stay silent either.
Please understand that in every other pandemic in the worldās history before this one, there was no vaccine, no preventative treatment, and all we could do was isolate infected people and hope that that was enough to stop it spreading. Sometimes, this did in fact work, mostly because travel was slow and not available to most people, and population densities were much lower - but in general, highly infectious new viruses will just keep on going through unexposed populations until every single vulnerable person has caught it and either developed some immunity or died. There is no stopping it. All you can do is slow it down.
Read the histories of the First Nation peoples in the New World when the Europeans arrived, if you want to know what that looks like. They died in their hundreds of thousands, from the common cold, from flu, (and if that wasnāt enough, from being deliberately infected with smallpox).
By the way, Europeans interpreted the sensitivity of indigenous populations to diseases that had become little more than an inconvenience to Europeans (whose immune systems were by then primed to recognise them) as evidence of a kind of European moral superiority - which is completely bonkers, and this attitude is still prevalent today - make no mistake, what is happening in Brazil and India right now is exactly what would also be happening in the US and Europe, if we had NOT put huge resources into vaccine development and vaccinated as many people as possible, as quickly as possible.
Yes, there is some risk associated with the vaccine, as there is with all medical treatments. But some people seem to imagine that they have a choice over whether they will catch COVID-19 or not. They donāt. Some seem to think that a sore arm and a few days of feeling rubbish is evidence that the vaccine is dangerous when actually it is evidence that your immune system has responded to it - and thatās what you actually want to happen!
A small fraction of individuals do experience severe vaccine reactions (like @Peitho, sorry for your awful experience hun),typically as a result of preexisting health issues or dysregulated immune systems. Even for these people, however, vaccination is often medically advised because they are also the ones at highest risk of the severe form of COVID-19.
Human beings are really terrible at accurately assessing risk. I wonāt bore you with the details but a lot of research has proved exactly that.
If you donāt want to be vaccinated, thatās fine. Your choice. But donāt base your decision on your neighbourās bad reaction, conspiracy theories from the internet or your belief that SARS-CoV-2 is a form of flu (it isnāt).
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Iām currently waiting to book my second jab, and will definitely have it when itās offered, I figure itās worth having at least some protection than having none at all. My only worry is when we have to start commuting by trains back to the office, before the pandemic my trains, both overground and underground were horribly overcrowded, people disgustingly coughing and sneezing often in my face, I dread returning to this, unfortunately I canāt see this improving at all.
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Sorry but I donāt buy into any of this.
If this virus was THAT BAD - why was everyone allowed to go mixing with others over Christmas for a few days.
Was the virus not active at that point?
The virus has been so bad, that you have to wear a mask going in and out of places. But once you actually go in and sit down, then you can take your mask off and youāre perfectly safe?
If the virus was that bad - why didnāt we do this properly and have a complete lockdown until it has passed, like other countries did.
The virus is so bad, that during most of this time - people have still been able to travel in and out of our countries, spreading this deadly virus.
I donāt believe this āvirusā occurred naturally.
It was produced for a reason - and this is why people are dying.
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